The War on Drugs is Too Costly

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    This AM as I read the news I can't help but be heartsick over what the "War on Drugs" is costing us.

    People who have nothing to do with drugs are having their Constitutional Rights trampled in order to find drugs and drug offenders. People who use drugs or have social contacts who use drugs are becoming "felons."

    "Felons?" Shouldn't felons be dangerous people? Shouldn't a felony involve a serious crime with a victim or many victims?

    Last week we read about a crazy lady deputy in FL, who if we believe the civil complaint, actually strip searched a woman in public view and mauled the woman's genitals, removing a tampon from her vagina. (I can't believe I wrote that, but the accurate terms need to be used. Euphemisms disguise the horror of what's happening.) Anyway, this repulsive assault occurred because the crazy woman deputy either hoped to find drugs or used the hope of finding drugs as a cover for her sadistic urges. It really doesn't matter which it was. The cost to the victim was incalculable.

    This week I'm reading about still another wrong address no-knock-warrant where children are horribly abused. This stuff happens constantly. (If the warrant is served at the correct address, is it OK to abuse the children who live there?) I think not. (Is child abuse OK now, as long as state actors are committing the abuse?)

    I can not see how the War on Drugs is beneficial to anyone. We would be so much better off if the drug industry was taxed like the tobacco industry and all the non-violent "offenders" were sent home.
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    We've become the United States of "Gotcha". It's sick. Other countries have signage about forbidden items to bring in, eg fruits, veggies, meat, drugs etc before you get to customs, and disposal bins for you to drop off the contraband. They don't care if you get rid of it, they really don't want to deal with catching you, they just don't want the stuff coming into their country. In the US, cameras are everywhere leading up to customs and there is no provision to dump off stuff. The gov wants to catch you having the contraband. I'd surmise it's partly because they get incentives for doing so and need the stats to justify budget. Whatever the reason, its just another case of "gotcha". This is turning into a sordid and disgusting place, with a cowed population needing someone in authority to tell them what they can and can't do at all times. The war on drugs is just another avenue of control for these creeps.
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  3. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'll just add that the drug story at Reason is a great example of why you should never talk to the police if they stop you, and don't allow them to search your car without a warrant. I'm not blaming the victim or anything like that, only that it's important to know your rights, and to exercise them.
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Correct as far as it goes, but the story doesn't really add up.

    Doesn't used drugs, but he's driving with unprescribed oxycontin in his pocket & a druggie passenger who apparently reeks of marijuana enough that the cop can smell it? He should have said, "I do not consent to a search," but I doubt the outcome would have been much different.

    On the other hand, the draconian penalty & other consequences are something out of the twilight zone.
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  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It really does sound like something out of the twilight zone.

    Who knows how it would have turned out if he hadn't consented to the search, but I can't imagine it could have worked out much worse. :(
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  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    There are cops out there who believe refusal to give consent is probable cause.
  7. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Fortuantely there have been judges that disagree, and make anything found "of the poisoned tree" and the case falls apart from there.

    Drug addiction is such a loose term and in my field I have seen drug addicts from A to Z, they dont need to be locked up they need treatment as coming off some of these drugs is (expletive deleted). The war on drugs is a utter failure just like TSA and many other "ideas", and these laws needto be changed so as not to imprison them, but help them get treatment and clean.

    Now my method of dealing with DS's (Drug Seekers) in the field some may say is wrong or cruel* but my medical director has backed me every time. Its very easy if there vital signs do not give any indication they are in pain (elevated Blood pressure, higher heart rate, etc) no pain medication will be given. I simply give a 10ml push of Normal Saline and let the psychogenic effects take over (typically they chill out, some even go to sleep or say there pain goes away). When we get to the ER I move them to the bed, and then step outside and give report to the patients nurse and/or charge nurse or doctor and tell them what I did and for them to call a social worker / counselor involved to help the person. I can only hope that I gave them that first step towards getting clean, and change there lives.

    I had my own personal (expletive deleted) when it comes to pain killers. Thankful for good doctors who understood pain management and put a program together to balance pain relief and lessening the risks of addiction.

    * = There are a couple exceptions to this (Burns, major trauma, and cardiac (abnormal EKG findings)), and they are protocol driven.
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  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    My kids and my husband all have conditions that can be agonizingly painful. There are enough prescription pain meds in this house to tranquilize an elephant. Typically the prescriptions expire before they're ever used. Post-surgery pain meds generally get consumed at the cyclic rate, but within a week the patient decides they don't want to be constipated any more, (Yep, that happens.), and they decide to live with a little discomfort. From that day forward their pain killer consumption drops off to nothing.

    If someone broke into the house and stole all that crap, I don't think we'd notice for months. Someone would over do it or take a bad fall, and their personal bottle of "the little tiny pills" would not be there. Oh well.

    Grandma takes all kinds of weird stuff. She used to be on 25+ pills. Now she's on about a dozen. At least 3 of them are controlled substances. I insist that as long as she's got most of her marbles, she's got to store and manage her own meds in her room. No one in this house would dream of taking someone else's medications. Grandma used to push her pills on family members when she lived with her own daughter, but I threw a blue ribbon fit the first time she tried it over here. She's straightened up. I told her I wouldn't leave her alone with the kids if I thought she'd try it again.

    Every once in a while I have to go to the pharmacy to pick up Grandma's meds. I hate doing that. Sometimes the delivery of her meds falls through, and the only way to keep her medicated on schedule is to pick them up myself. If I get in a traffic accident or other LEO encounter, will I be charged with "possession" of Grandma's meds? I hope not, but this country is insane. I don't know what to expect any more.

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