This is what the terrorists wanted

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by KrazyKat, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  3. The 6th Floor

    The 6th Floor Original Member

    Our own government wants us living in fear. It's becoming like a police state. Thanks in part to the actions of the TSA, not only at airports but elsewhere in our everyday life. Watched a video recently from the 4th of July that was taken at a sobriety checkpoint in Livermore, CA (east of San Francisco). There was a group recording the checkpoint with a sign that read "THERE WERE CHECKPOINTS IN NAZI GERMANY." Yet every car that went through had to show ID. Sad state of affairs we are seeing in the "land of the free."
  4. SafeButFree

    SafeButFree Original Member

    To me there's a difference between a checkpoint to catch enemies of the state and a checkpoint to catch people driving over the alcohol limit. The only scary thing is if they start showing up as a permanent thing. Where I live, they tend to go up around holidays with a history of lots of road deaths.
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  5. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Agreed 100%
    Drunk drivers pose a real and present danger to society. How common are incidents where a 6 YO child or a 95 YO invalid tried to blow up a plane? This is the big difference between the two "checkpoints."
  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Sobriety checkpoints are inconvenient, but they aren't like VIPR or the TSA.
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  7. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Sorry, comparing DUI checkpoints to TSA idiocy isn't really apt.
  8. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Both are deplorable but as DeafBlonde said, DUI checkpoints have the single quasi-redeeming factor of having drunk-driving collision/death statistics to back them. I still support Trapster and the smartphone programs that alert drivers to checkpoints so that they can be avoided and nullified, but they're nowhere near as insidious as TSA.

    DUI checkpoints are a fly to be swatted. TSA is more akin to a plague of locusts.
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  9. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    I can agree with that - I don't like DUI checkpoints either, but to compare them to the TSA Gestapo...well, thats a bridge too far.

    I'm on a roll today. lol
  10. SafeButFree

    SafeButFree Original Member

    I just was trying to say that "checkpoint=fascism" is too easy. Especially when it is not something permanent.
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Can't remember if I posted this at another thread or not. From a comment at Time mag:

    Question: What kind of a man knowingly surrenders his own daughter to one of us government workers to be molested, standing by passively even as her private parts are fondled while she screams "Daddy Daddy, please help me!"

    Answer: an American man.

    I speak only to you men when I say you gutless cowards will be lining up to hand over your wives and daughters in our airports, it will happen hundreds of time each day across our USA. You had better start explaining to your children that we government employees are allowed to touch their private parts whenever we want; it will make the whole thing a lot less dramatic. Seriously, the 1st time is always the worst. The next time you get molested will not feel as disturbing as we accommodate you to our abuses.

  12. SafeButFree

    SafeButFree Original Member

    America is hurting for real men. I think a lot of them lost their stones on 9/11/2001.
  13. mozgytog

    mozgytog Founding Member

    SCOTUS called DUI checkpoints an acceptable violation of the Fourth Amendment.

    I disagree with them on the 'acceptable' adjective.
  14. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    What else is acceptable to them? :eek: :td:
  15. 4nsicdoc

    4nsicdoc Original Member

    You mean permanent like at the airport?
  16. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Scary as it is to admit, you're probably right.
  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Uh, I think they just spent several tours of duty in the Middle East, for?............

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