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Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by KrazyKat, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    In an apparent policy move, TSA now not only mimics color guards, but is sending TSOs to police funerals.
    The crimefile blog opines on the low esteem in which TSOs are held by police officers, for reasons including
    Attending funerals uninvited seems like a particularly tasteless way of ingratiating themselves, hoping some legitimacy will rub off.
     
  2. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    That's just smarmy but sadly I fear, true.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not mincing their words either:

     
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

  5. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Are screeners really just showing like the article claims? Law enforcement professionals are almost universally critical of TSA employees, so it would seem to me they would be asked to leave like any other goofball Whacker.
     
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  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Then there is the small matter of economic coercion since, (especially smaller), departments are too dependent on DHS grants. Not saying that it would control what goes on at a funeral, but it could be result in grumbling silence.

    Ditto for honor guards, but especially on shamelessly attending funerals:
    Yet that would defeat the purpose, wouldn't it, if this really is a TSA management directive?:td:
     
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  7. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    We are fairly tight with our LEOs here, if one of them were to be killed in the line of duty or even to just pass of natural causes I would attend. I don't know that we would do something organized, but many of us would attend. It could just be that the local TSA is trying to build a better relationship with local LEOs, especially if they work with them on a regular basis. Just my 2 cents, and I could be wrong.
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Attending as an individual is one thing, dressing up in the TSA Fake Cop costume and attending is another thing entirely.
     
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  9. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The airport may have wanted to pay homage to them. There could be some history between the individual that passed and the TSA at that airport. Without knowing the history between the individual and local TSA, making comparisons is simply like throwing darts (badly at that). I think if there is a connection between the two, then it is just fine for the TSOs to show up and/or participate in the funeral to show respect. If there is no connection and the TSA just sent someone in uni to make a statement of "brotherhood", then that is something that I am a bit uncomfortable with, especially if there is no working relationship between the two. That screams of just trying to gain recognition at worst, or being naive at best.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    What does the wants of the airport have to do with TSA?

    It was reported that TSA is paying employees to attend the funeral of LEO's.

    If that is what happened then TSA is so far on the wrong side of the issue it's not even funny.
     
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  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    That's exactly the way I interpreted the article.
     
  12. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Again, without a working relationship between the two, I can understand that point of view. This article is completely worthless from a get to the bottom of it POV. It gives no sources, it makes a claim and simply adds to that claim with specualtion and rhetorical statements instead of facts, dates and official commentary. It claims there are over 2300 stories on the blog it links to, only one of them is about TSA and funerals, and it has a grand total of 3 comments on it, one of them is neutral towards TSA, one complains about DHS employees competing on Top Shot, and one explains what DHS is. Not exactly a strong case for the claims made in the article. Another knock is the site linked to makes the case that John Wilkes Booth was a patriot for killing a despot like Abe Lincoln. Heady stuff.... Taking articles like this seriously is a waste of your time, the idiots that work for our organization give you ample material to focus on, without trying to use things like this. (not to mention the policy disagreements you have with TSA);)
     
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Agree. This is at worst an annoyance. It's like we're just waiting for them to sneeze. If they stop going up our inner thigh, touching sex organs, and rubbing our butts like letchers, they can march in military parades for all I care.
     
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  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And rightfully so, with certain exceptions like "Officer" Dilley of the Albuquerque "Airport Police," or that nugget at PHX who's been telling the public that Phoenix PD will under no circumstances even investigate a charge of sexual battery against a TSA clerk.
     
  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    It was being sexually assaulted by a TSO that put me on the topic of this agency, not policy. Like most people, I don't have the leisure to write letters all day and work on policy issues without pay, even if I had been paying more attention to the rising nazification of this country in the form of the TSA before being assaulted. Sources for the blog posting notwithstanding, directing TSOs to go to police funerals seems consistent with the leadership of the TSA.
     
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  16. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I was skeptical just from the overall tone and lack of actual cites, but wow. :confused:

    They're the gift that keeps on giving, all year long. :p

    EDIT: And no offense meant to the OP ;)
     
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This sort of frank talk is, surprisingly, what is needed to restore confidence in the agency.
     
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  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    That is simply facing the reality of working for TSA. We have bad apples (just like any other organization of our size would) - YMMV on the percentage of bad apples, but we have them. With the current media focus and the unrest in the frequent flyer crowd over some of the policies, and actions by certain TSOs, every single one of the knuckleheads that do something and get caught are going to be mentioned in a media source somewhere. I wish that there would be more talk like this from the headshed - maybe that would trickle down to some of the knuckleheads and force them out before they can do something to tarnish the organization further.
     
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  19. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Same is true for the travelling public, one of the things that amazes me is how people can forget they are carrying a pistol.
     
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  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You know what would really restore confidence in the agency?

    Bullcrap Bob posting something to the effect of, "Another pedophile/thief/criminal was discovered in the ranks of our employees, and we've come to the conclusion that having these kinds of people working for us really does reflect badly on our entire agency."

    Or every employee saying, "You know, most of the procedures we're asked to perform really aren't necessary, aren't effective, and certainly aren't geared toward showing any respect to the passengers, so we all refuse to do them."
     
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