Video Toddler in a Wheelchair Scared **itless

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FetePerfection, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Poor little guy - apparently his folks were livid but unable to do anything about the absurdity of it all.
  2. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Apparently another probable pedophile in TSA employ. The TSA perv had to grope the kids unclothed leg and socked feet. :mad:

    I just emailed my reps (Senators Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran and Rep. Kevin Yoder) about this. I'll go ahead and post my letter here.

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  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    So much for the toddler pat down propaganda. I hope those over 75 see this.
  4. That was infuriating. That perv lifted the kid's shirt and swabbed his waistline. What happened to "travelers should neither be asked to nor agree to lift, remove, or raise any article of clothing"? Also love how the perv played his little pedophile game with the kid. "What kind of animal do you like, tigers?" ("before I gently caress you all over, lift your shirt and tickle by your undies with my swab, run my gloved fingers down your legs...")

    I also have to wonder if it's the best idea to play it cool so the kid thinks it's okay. I don't judge this dad for doing so, it's a tremendous moral quandary, but if I were in that situation, I'd be tempted to want to exploit my kids' fear and let them freak out a little. Maybe it's better for them to fear this sort of thing.
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  5. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This is picked up by one of my fellow leftists at Daily Kos, who's tagged it "child abuse".
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  6. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Perhaps it should be reported as child abuse to the local office of Child & Family Protective Services...and I'm not kidding.
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  7. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Posted a few links on this along with the Federal indictment of the BWI TSO on child porn at Drudge. Hope these hit the top of the page for Monday morning.
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This should come as no surprise. All we ever get from TSA are lies and false promises.
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Disgusting and infuriating. Yes, it's child abuse. And I'm sorry, why do parents allow their children to be treated this way?? If you allow your child to be manhandled and frightened by the TSA, that's also child abuse. Why do parents allow this?? They are training their children to allow strangers to touch them inappropriately and intimidate them.
  10. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Lisa, please stop blaming the parents here. TSOs are dressed like cops, and their presence can be very threatening and intimidating. While they wield no detention power, they can cause the family to miss their flights, wreaking havoc for the family.
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    At TSA News: TSA and Child Abuse Again
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, because missing one's flight is so much more important than protecting one's child.
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  13. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    It's easy to Monday-morning quarterback from the comfort of your home.

    But perhaps the father was afraid of being detained and separated from his kid if he raised a stink. Or of further, retaliatory, abuse to his kid if he spoke up.

    It's not a question of not missing the flight being more important than standing up for one's rights.

    So, just what was the father supposed to do? Don't assume that a LEO would side with the father.

    The TSOs know their uniform can instill intimidation. And sometimes the checkpoint is not the place to take a stand.

    I respect your speaking out at every chance against the TSA's abuses, but accusing the father of child abuse for letting this continue is the wrong approach.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And what would I say if I saw a child being hurt by someone in the street? Should I shut up because I don't know what kind of stress the parent might be under?

    People need to think about these things before they get to the checkpoint. They need to think about them before they fly. They need to think about even IF they're going to fly, knowing that this could happen to their children. Not thinking about these things, not addressing them, not figuring out what you're going to do and how you're going to do it, is neglect.

    And if using the term "child abuse" -- which I have never used in over two years of activism on this issue precisely because I knew it would get people's hackles up -- if using that term now wakes people up, when they can see with their own eyes what's going on in this video, then good.
  15. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Lisa, not everyone is like the members of this board, in that they mentally anticipate and prepare for problems at the checkpoint. Perhaps the family has not flown in several years, and has not kept up with the growing list of checkpoint abuses. Not all travelers have a Google alert for "TSA" that greets them each morning, and many, many Americans still believe that the TSA is out to keep them safe, either because they don't fly often or because they have personally never witnessed any abuses.

    Perhaps the father is not aware that the uniformed TSOs have the detention power and authority of a post office clerk or of a city bus driver: that is, none.

    The fear is very palpable that speaking up against someone dressed as a cop, despite the abuse he is heaping on your kid, will result in being arrested and separated from the child -- maybe with the father losing custody of the kid. (Don't make any assumptions about the family's situation.)

    Sometimes the best approach is to assuage the kid at the moment, and deal with it after the fact. Now whether the father actually follows through with a sternly-worded letter to his representatives, and whether he files a complaint against the TSO (I hope he at least got his name) and hopefully goes as far as pressing charges against the TSO, is another matter. If he does not, after returning from Disney, then we can pin some blame on the parent. (But going as far as labeling it "child abuse" would be still pushing it.)

    I repeat, what should the father have done differently in this situation?
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Gone up to his child, picked him up, and refused to let him go. Let the TSA call the cops. Miss your flight. Protect your child.

    I understand the father was intimidated. I feel for him. I'm sorry he was put in this situation. That doesn't mean he doesn't also bear some responsibility.

    Saul, I'm speaking not only based on information from this one video; I've personally talked to countless people, including parents, who do know this is going on but who choose to stick their heads in the sand. They choose to ignore it. Even knowing that it might happen to their children. Now if that's not child abuse, or at least neglect, what is?

    And tell me -- what happens if a clerk says he "has to" take your child into a private room, away from you? Then what? You still cut the parent some slack because he feels intimidated?
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  17. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    I don't know: the TSA can place parents in an awful situation, one that can cause untold stress on the kids and parents.

    And yes, I cut the father slack for feeling intimidated and powerless: intimidation and fear and powerful emotions. If they weren't, the TSA and DHS would not have been created in the first place.

    And we're not speaking about parents in general here: we're talking about this one incident.

    Why do you assume the cops would side with the father? And again, look at it from the father's point of view: in many travelers' minds, TSOs are cops. Never mind that they conduct searches that a cop could not perform without suspicion of wrongdoing. Another point: it's pretty obvious under normal situations to see that TSOs are unarmed. But in the heat of the moment, given their appearance, it would not be difficult to envision a parent assuming that they were armed.

    You don't know the family's situation, or anything beyond what you see in the video clip. And again, blaming the parent is the absolute wrong approach here.
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Then I guess children should just look forward to being abused when they travel. Oh, well, c'est la vie.
  19. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    So will you be heading to O'Hare to show this video to all families waiting to enter the checkpoints? What will you be doing to effect change?

    We all agree that the TSA can place families and travelers in stressful situations. But despite our idealist notions, making a scene at the checkpoint is not a realistic option for many travelers.
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, please, I've been working on this issue for over two years. No, I'm not traveling to O'Hare to present a continuous loop of this video -- and all the other videos out there.

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