Transgender children

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Doober, May 20, 2012.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    An article in today's WaPo about transgender children brought this:

    How sad is that? I'm sure you can imagine how that TSA would handle this. We'd have yet another story of child abuse at the checkpoint.
  2. Frank

    Frank Original Member

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  3. This article was discussed in the thread about the Las Vegas drag queen accusing the TSA of discrimination. Apparently the TSA doesn't know how to handle trans and non-specific gendered people at all. It's all about the pink and blue buttons on the scanners. Totally lame.
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  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I have always been taught to treat and screen the individual as they present themselves. We have had transgender folks come through and you just screen them as they are. It should not matter in the least what a persons sexual identity is, simply screen them and get them on their way.

    We also had the case of the TSO that won a settlement against TSA last year -
    Since that case ended, I have seen more focus and training on how to deal with passengers in general. Transgender is not something that can be determined by visual means at all times, so the rule is to treat the person as they present themselves.

    While we have some, I personally would love to see more interpersonal skills classes for TSA, it gives the individual TSO better tools to assist the passengers. It also allows the organization to have a more professional and standardized demeanor to the public (and by extension, co-workers) in general.
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    um yeah, except for its impossible to teach closed minded people who are as sharp as a marble with no moral compass. "professional and standardized demeanor" yeah except for that more times then not its 180 degrees from that, and past behavior is good predictor of future behavior.
  6. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Yep. The caliber of personnel has to be up to the task of learning proper interaction with the public (whom TSA exists to serve, not to control) before it can ever be hoped to actually happen. Once we go 12 months with no new entries to the Master Lists, I'll believe that the TSA workforce is capable of being professional. First they have to prove they're capable of NOT being criminals.
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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Marble can be sharpened. They're more like pumice - relatively soft, and abrasive instead of incisive.
  8. Can you address the issue of the pink and blue buttons on the scanners? As SunnyGoth put it in another thread, this hard codes in the discrimination. It doesn't really matter how sensitive or brutish you behave, your machinery essentially outs people who may have very deeply rooted emotional and psychological issues associated with their genders. They're apparently talking a lot about airport scanners in therapy, for goodness sake. You may even be putting them in danger, if there happen to be any deeply bigoted people around who become aware of the situation.

    The article I linked to also addressed the topic of non-gendered people, and how they are treated at the checkpoint (look up, link function not working for me atm):

    Sure, these screeners were acting like boors, but the system knowingly puts low-wage boors in a position of addressing sensitive issues of gender and genitalia. The system does this. The purpose of a system is what it does, and it does this.
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    At least that part of the system makes it easy to identify the boors by issuing them tin badges and bright blue shirts.
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    In my very first job (custodial work summer after 9th grade), we used pumice blocks to clean toilets.

    One of my grandmothers also used pumice to remove dead skin.

    There are some analogies here ... :D
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  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Hrm. I may have to revise. Marble can be sharpened... and pumice is actually useful for jobs that need to be done, unlike TSA employees.
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And I would like to see TSA treat travelers with dignity and respect.
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    To do that, they'd have to have a modicum of self-respect and dignity themselves - which means they wouldn't be working for the TSA in the first place.
  14. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I can address that question. The buttons are hard coded because airport security since November 2010 has always been about either seeing or touching our genitals. If you think about the progression of these scanners, going from the "testing" stages all the way to "primary screening technology" that's what it has always been about. This is what angers me about these scanners, whether they have the "privacy feature" or not, whether a blue-shirted flunkee is in the peep show booth or the GD machine is looking at our naked bodies. This is what angers me about these screening methods. Too much intrusion, too much of the time. UTTER BULL:poop:!!! </end soap box rant>
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  15. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Yep. Gender identity counts for nothing when TSA's focus is on physical primary sexual characteristics. They don't care what the bits are, nor whether the pax identifies with them, they just want to grope and fondle them against the pax's will.
  16. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Doesn't the parent have a problem with the fact that some pervert at TSA is seeing their child's "biology"?

    Damned if I'd let my child go through any scanner, ATR or not.
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  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I still don't understand how millions of parents are allowing this. Allowing the possibility of their children getting molested. I just don't get it.
  18. Agreed.
  19. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am not educated enough (insert joke here) on what the differences are on the pink and blue buttons (other than male and female).

    All that I can tell you is, I know that the TSOs are supposed to screen the individual as they present themselves. These TSOs mentioned here were being boors, and unprofessional to boot, if the person presented as a female/male then do the screening needed and get them on their way. I have never had a problem at our checkpoints (luckily), and I have seen transgendered folks come through and be screened as they present themselves - with no hassle or even discussion other than the normal advisements. This is what should be happening everywhere.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    ...and damned if I'd let any blue-shirted Neanderthal grope my child for not going through the scanner. Once she's old enough, I'll be explaining to her that the people in uniforms at the airport are NOT nice people, and they're NOT police, and she's under no circumstances to trust them.

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