Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Mar 20, 2012.
Here's your polite society:
Trayvon Martin murdered
That's a miscarriage of justice, there - and not representative of the majority of gun owners and carriers.
Dubbed "Shoot first (ask questions later)" by contumelious liars, the Florida law allows a potential crime victim who is "in fear of great bodily injury" to use deadly force in public places.
The anti-gun propagandists will tell any lie, no matter how ridiculous, in support of their "sacred cause." They have no shame. I hope they're all shackled to Eric Holder in Hades, or at least Purgatory.
The shooting occurred barely 3 weeks ago, and the case is now being presented to a grand jury, which is the normal procedure in many/most states. There is no "miscarriage of justice" here; it is following the normal process.
Depends on jurisdiction, I guess. In many jurisdictions, the absence of a weapon on the "threat" would be grounds for being arrested and charged.
Yeah, there was no movement on this until the national uproar. The guy would've gotten away with it otherwise. God bless the internet.
Can't take credit, that was a parody song by Bob Rivers, a DJ in Seattle. There are a number of his songs that are regularly misattributed to Weird Al.
Before mailing any Skittles think I would need to know more about what was going on. Isn't the police department out of the decision process now? A Grand Jury will be presented evidence and determine if charges are warranted.
Agree. It's not like the shooter was a cop, where we might want to be prepared for an attempted cover up. If there's evidence that this guy followed the victim and provoked something, he will be toasted.
If you go back & read the earliest articles on the Trayvon Martin shooting, the shooter was in custody during the initial investigation & the police have been investigating it from the beginning.
There are just a lot of people who'd rather jump to conclusions than wait for the proper investigation to take place.
First the police investigated it & turned their files over to the states attorney. Now the states attorney will present it to a grand jury.
If the grand jury returns a no bill and the states attorney proceeds to drop the ball, then & only then will I be inclined to get bent out of shape. Until then, let things take their normal course.
In the end, I'm inclined to believe that the shooter will indeed be toast, and it will NOT be because of all the noise some people have been been making.
Thousands of demonstrators reported marching along Canal Street NYC in support of Zimmerman's arrest.
Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/timcast
It looks like the police are keeping a very, very low profile. It's possible there will not be any police brutality. Oops, I spoke too soon... We'll see.
8:47 Conflict is building. Police trying to corral marchers on the Brooklynn Bridge W/O success. The march is big and getting bigger, 3000 Plus. The march has no leader and changes direction at a whim - effectively defeating the police attempts to herd the group. They're chanting "Whose streets?" "Our streets!"
8:51 Marching toward Zucotti park yelling "We are Trayvon Martin."
8:52 corner of Bay and Broad St.
8:53 Zucotti Park Barricaded. Police in riot gear assembling in front of marchers.
Really foul language and shouts of rage are starting to build. "No Justice, No Peace. No Racist Police"
A little singing a guitar playing. I'd call the atmosphere highly volatile.
9:00 Protesters on Wall Street throwing the barricades "protecting" the Bull and climbing on top. NYPD is not in control at all. They attempted to make arrests and failed, although some people are still laying in the streets near the Bull where the altercation took place.
9:03 Crowd has lost interest in the Bull. They're just outside Battery park and turning toward Credit St. The police are trying to herd people onto the sidewalks, but that's not working. "You can't arrest us all!" "Whose Streets, Our Streets!"
Marchers are using police barricades to block cruisers - moving barricades for their own purposes.
Marchers moved down Carlisle St. 7 cruisers with loud sirens approaching.
9:16 March dividing into groups of 3-500 and moving in various directions.
This is fascinating stuff.
9:30 Crowds shift in size and composition and changes direction frequently. It sounds like everyone's getting tired. This might end peacefully. That would be good.
Zimmerman's Phone number [Redacted by coach Mike --TUG doesn't publish home addresses or phone nos.] (No confirmation on that.)
March was officially over at 9. Peak numbers about 3000. Now about 300 rowdy ones.
Sounds like some in NY have had more than enough of Kommissar Kelly's Schweinhunden. Like most bullies, they will turn & run when the little guys rise up against them.
The NYPD has started a war with its own people that they cannot win.
Legal scholar Jonathan Turley on the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. Excerpt:
Last night's story from the Sanford PD was that Zimmerman was sitting in his car and Martin approached the car, which is why he got shot. That, IMO, is a lie.
I'd also heard that Zimmerman has made over 150 "see something, say something" calls to the PD, of which the vast majority were unfounded.
A few things about this story I would like to know and have not found the answers to.
What time did the shooting happen?
The shooting happened in a gated community, did Martin live in that gated community?
Did Martin have any priors of any kind?
In the evening. It was raining. I'd have to do research to get you the exact hour.
Last night's story is very different from the initial story.
Zimmerman's "See something, say something" calls confirm what I always knew: "See something, say something" gives certain types of crazy people an audience and the attention they crave. If you "See something and you say something," you're probably dysfunctional.
Sane reactions to the behavior on the DHS's list of "scary behaviors" don't include calling Big Brother. A well person would use these signs as an opener for a conversation or the beginning of a beneficial relationship. If "See something, say something" takes hold American's real lives are going to become an amalgamation of the worst of daytime TV.
I thought I read something about the kid and his father visiting someone in the area.
I'm tempted to buy a throwaway phone and see a lot somethings and say just as much.
My goal is to become the sole barrier to making these stupid ideas workable.
Of course, that would mean that I'm tying up resources for actual emergencies. Since I have very good relations with the responders in my town, I don't think I want to burden those relationships...
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