Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Mar 20, 2012.
His father was visiting his girlfriend who I think lived in the gated community.
One of the reasons I'm so vocal about this godawful shooting case in Florida is that the Sanford police department, like far too many PD's in this state, is an absolute model of fascism. And yes, there is a loud-and-clear, undeniable racial component inherent in this crime, as well as a somber warning for those of us concerned about civil liberties. Remember: what they start out doing to one minority group, they eventually wind up doing to everyone. In this particular region, the PD sweeps crimes with black victims under the rug. The numbers don't lie: The color of the victim is the primary determining factor in whether or not the cops went after the perp, and whether any kind of justice was pursued by prosecutors.
And of course, eventually, shootings of anyone deemed a terrorist or enemy or whatever will be handled this way: No arrest, no trial.
As for it being an attack on gun rights, though, sorry--it isn't. I am a gun-owner in Florida. My husband is too, and he has a concealed weapons permit. When he applied for that, over twenty years ago, you had to take gun safety class, demonstrate good marksmanship, and pay for and undergo a thorough FBI background check. Having a record with any violent crime on it meant NO to your carry-permit. You could still purchase a weapon, if you'd completed your obligations, but no permit for concealing it would be possible. According to current carry-permit rules, however, a history of violent crime--even domestic violence!--does not disqualify you: you just need to satisfy those obligations and wait three years, as this shooter, Zimmerman, did.
I do not oppose guns--obviously! I oppose the unrestricted selling of them to violent criminals, and I oppose the ongoing weakening of what paltry laws we did have that would have kept a firearm--or at least a concealed weapons permit--out of the hands of a paranoid, racist vigilante.
Okay my comment is being twisted and pulled out of context. I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment and defending oneself from a threat to your life or those around you. Keyword a threat. Ie you make a aggressive or threatening moves towards me, brandishing a weapon your going find yourself looking down the barrel or the laser of what ever I'm carrying. Mind you I've already been put through the (expletive deleted) of a grand jury for defending myself.
I've listened to the dispatch tapes, this piece of work was either drunk or high. In either case what he did was in my opinion murder as the kid was no threat this (expletive deleted) hat was acting as a vigilante judge, jury & executioner. This piece of work needs to be put down with a bullet in the same way he murdered this kid. That would serve warming to other vigilantes that their liable to end up dead if they want to play judge dread.
Last evening one of the major networks had an interview with another neighborhood watch patroller in Zimmerman's complex. He supported Zimmerman unequivocally.
He said he patrolled a small area of the complex, in the immediate area of his condo, while Zimmerman covered the entire complex, with his weapon and his Rottweiler.
It was good to hear that both the community college he attended and the condo complex expelled him.
Years ago when we lived in Virginia my husband, who was active military at the time, was head of our community neighborhood watch program. We had a sign for the top of our car and we patrolled the area as did other volunteers. We took a neighborhood watch course given by the local police. We never took a firearm with us - that wasn't our job to apprehend anyone that looked "suspicious". Our job was to be a presence in the community and call the police if we saw a problem. To patrol our community with a loaded firearm never even occurred to us.
Ditto my neighborhood in Baltimore.
Perhaps there's a Trayvon Martin beating -- that is a beating by Trayvon Martin -- that needs to be considered before all you jump to conclusions:
My Fox Tampa Bay: Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
This witness and the physical evidence seem to agree with Zimmerman.
But this would all be so politically inconvenient, wouldn't it?
ah. you mean in the politically correct haste to hang whitey, they forgot to look at the evidence? shocking.
I'm not fully convinced, but it does underscore the need to let the process take its course. Then we can pick it apart and (if appropriate) push to reopen the case or bring federal charges.
I don't know what happened that night but we sure don't need a bunch of national agitators rolling in to town stirring up racial emotions.
Enough different LEO groups are investigating that I believe a true understanding of what happened will be developed.
I suggest holding up a bit before stringing up the rope.
agree. the facts need to be sorted out. if indeed zimmerman was following the kid, and then the kid came back at him and jumped him, that would be an interesting problem. did zimmerman set the kid up.... we'll have to wait and see.
A couple more articles ...
Orlando Sentinel (26 Mar 2012): Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Miami Herald (26 Mar 2012): Trayvon suspended over marijuana; thousands expected at rally
Maybe Trayvon Martin was using the "stand your ground" law. Sounds like he was afraid for his life. Especially since reports are that he was on the phone with his girlfriend telling her he was creeped out by this guy following him around.
If that's the case, perhaps he made a bad choice. In any case, he was booted from school because of drugs and apparently was out wandering around stoned. Things went downhill from there.
He was booted from school for being found with an empty baggie. Not that I give a (expletive deleted) if he was smoking marijuana anyway.
And "he was wandering around stoned"?? First of all, talk about making assumptions. Second, I guess that makes it justifiable that Mr. O.K. Corral shot him.
I was curious if the rules regarding Neighborhood Watch groups in Florida were different from what I remember when we were part of that in Virginia. Apparently not:http://www.bostonherald.com/news/na...rmat=&page=2&listingType=natsouth#articleFull If Mr. Zimmerman had followed the Neighborhood Watch rules perhaps none of this would have happened.
An empty baggie with traces of dope in it, not what you should have in your possession at school. Many schools would put him in an alternative program. Why wasn';t he in one instead of just roaming the streets?
The point, Lisa, is that it's not acceptable to to lynch "Mr. O.K. Corral", as you put it. Let the system take its course and find out what all the evidence is. Then people can make informed conclusions as to how to proceed. The left is pursuing an agenda here, and it seems they may well have picked a bad example for their agenda.
Yep, the media has reminded us yet again that we should not trust them. The "story" has definitely changed from what was first reported!
Fine. Let the law take its course. It's not only the left that's "pursuing an agenda."
Our "agenda" is to let the investigation take its course. Meanwhile ...
UK Daily Mail (26 Mar 2012): Suspended THREE times for drugs, truancy and graffiti and 'caught carrying a burglary tool': New picture emerges of Trayvon Martin (and did he attack a bus driver too?)
Another article reveals that his Twitter feed suggests he took a swing at a bus driver.
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