Trayvon Martin shooting

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Assuming he had a case to present to start with. The most damaging testimony came from his own witnesses.
     
  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I was going to say that also, I believe the case was a crappy situation with too much poitical pressure to follow through properly. I have almost always heard most investigators I have worked with or are friends with say that you don't go to court with a sh*t sandwich, because all you can do with it is get it all over everyone involved. This case has entirely too many variables to charge as Murder 2, there was a reasonable doubt after the very first prosecution witness, and it has gone downhill from there. Not to mention that the medical examiner changed his statement (on the stand) about the possiblity of Martin being under the influence of MJ - not in depositions or working with the prosecution, he changed his story on the stand. That opened up the reversal by the presiding Judge allowing for introduction of Martins use of drugs, and to use that to further question his character. This case should probably never have been filed in the first place - for any prosecution. There may be enough technically to get a Manslaughter conviction, but there is not much past the basics. The person that made the decision to file this as Murder 2 should be run out of office on a rail. It is a terrible situation all around, a young man has been killed, another man has killed someone and has to live with that burden the rest of his life, both families are damaged as a result. There will be wrongful death cases right after this whole court fiasco is put of its misery, and that will drag on for years. The botched prosecution is only adding to the level of bad, not seeking justice.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Don't know if this has been posted before. In my opinion DOJ getting involved like they did should have resulted in the case being tossed due to illegal interference. DOJ tried to stack the deck against the defendant.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-provided-security-for-anti-zimmerman-protests/

    Docs: Justice Department facilitated anti-Zimmerman protests


     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Defense rests. Motion for acquittal is denied by judge.
     
  5. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    It helps when the judge is on your side. I think she got her marching orders from the White House and is going to get a federal appointment in payment.
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

  7. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Yea...Damn good! Kind of restores my faith in the criminal justice system [in Florida, at least].
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Guess that's one Florida county where they can no longer send a halfwit prosecutor with a poor case in front of a faithful Democratic judge & expect a jury to fall for it.
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Prosecutors called Zimmerman a liar and portrayed him was a vigilante who had grown frustrated by break-ins in his neighborhood committed primarily by young black men. They made no apologies for bringing a second-degree murder charge, even after losing.

    “We charged what we believed we could prove,” State Attorney Angela Corey said.

    Such a dimwit that they got creamed by their own case, and the loss is barely registering. They need to get some brighter bulbs interested in patronage jobs.
     
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    And backed by a mob rented by the justice department. I'm shocked
     
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    This is a sad case in many aspects - a young man lost his life, the man that killed him has to live with that fact, a family is missing that young man, and there are idiots running amok in the streets rioting and looting, destroying their home area. The prosecution had a crap sandwich for a case, and yet chose to push it forward as a Murder 2 charge, when they would have had a hard enough time getting a conviction on Manslaughter. They compounded the obvious lack of a case by attempting to add a slew of charges at the end of the proceedings (child abuse charges? Really? Eat a Snickers would ya), instead of presenting all possible charges at the beginning. This meant that they knew their case was crap, and they wanted to ambush the jury into convicting on lesser charges to give them an "out". One can argue that Justice was not done based on their perception, I am here to tell you, based solely on the presentation of the evidence that I have seen and read (which is admittedly not all of what was presented), Justice was actually done in this case. The prosecution failed to prove the Murder charge, they also failed to prove the Manslaughter charges. Based on much of what happened with this Judge and the case itself in court, had a conviction been handed down, there were plenty of grounds for an excellent appeal. Requiring a defendant to state (in open court - before the defense rests) whether he is going to testify, while things may change and require the defense to change tack, is a big no-no based on my limited legal experience. The fact that so many people are decrying the legal system at a time when it actually worked the way it was supposed to, is extremely depressing. Many of the folks in those mobs roaming around either do not care about "Justice" or are willfully misrepresenting what they wanted to happen as "Justice", or they are being decieved by those leading them - which is depressing as well. In a case where the system worked as it is supposed to (which seems to be the case less and less right now), more people are screaming about how the Justice system is broken - when, from a technical aspect, this should have been a rallying cry of just how well the Justice system works some times.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Speculation is that Holder will try to charge Zimmerman with some other types of charges based only on race.

    I can see no good coming from such acts if that was to happen.
     
  13. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Even if they bring these charges, I can not see a clear cut racial bias in the information presented. There is speculation, there is suspicion, there is rumor, but the presented facts that I have seen do not show that this was a racially motivated incident. If there were recordings of Zimmerman indicating something along the lines of "I am approaching the guy because he is black and has no business here", I could see the possibility for a case - but that is not in evidence at the present. I can see no good from pursuing charges of this nature at this point, because it will only serve to inflame an already bad situation. There may be more information out there that comes to light that would change my opinion, but it is not out there right now (at least, not that I have seen). The point of our legal system is supposed to be Justice over all things. We all know that many times the system degenerates into a squabble over words and semantics, that guilty people go free, that innocents are sent away, that people that should get hard time, get probation while people that should get probation, get hard time - but the over-arching theme of our legal system is supposed to be Justice first. When cases like this come into the limelight, it should generate introspection on a personal level, and force us, en masse, to re-examine how the case got there in the first place. I have a serious problem with this case coming to trial after all the LEOs involved wouldn't press charges of Manslaughter, much less Murder 2 - to include the Chief, who was temporarily out of office because he wouldn't sign on for the prosecution of this case (well, it was fall out from the political pressures, but still, he was removed for a period of time over this case and his unwillingness to join in the rush to court). Political pressure should never be leveraged to force a "bad" case like this into court, it lets down all of the citizens represented by the court. Our legal system was (in theory at least) designed to be able to withstand political pressure, too bad that we don't see it do so more often.
     
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Unfortunately the Department of Justice has been involved in efforts to get Zimmerman prosecuted and found guilty since day one. I don't think Justice should have made any statements either for or against Zimmerman since doing so displays a bias against the defendant. While the loss of life is a sad thing I don't see continuing legal actions against Zimmerman to be in the public interest.
     

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