Video TSA abusing yet another child. – YouTube

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    The pervs are still molesting kids.

    I've downloaded the file in case it gets pulled from You Tube and see if I can load this to Live Leak and CNN iReport.
  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    To be fair, the girl appears to be over 12, but yeah, that's disgusting.
  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    True. I'd guess around 14 which seems to be the favorite age of victims for the TSA agents arrested for rape and molestation this year.

    If this is procedure is necessary "for our safety" I wonder why is the mother is objecting to it being recorded.
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Agreed. That age group is also the favorite for pedophiles. It's bizarre how pedophiles are able to get away with it.

    What I find even more galling than the mother objecting, as that is her right, is that it's all smiles and giggles while her daughter is groped by a fat prison matron. Furthermore, the very argument that these groping searches are Constitutional hinges on the fact that they take place in public, and therefore there is nothing untoward going on. Well, in that case they are fair game to be filmed. Period.
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  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The fat tsa hag does stay away from the genital area, (good) but does touch the upper part of the breasts (not good) evidently gotta make sure they're real. This ridiculous and ineffective intrusion is the price of air travel. And the idiot mother and young lady remain clueless. After the fact, they'll probably realize they've been had. I have no sympathy for them being filmed in this case either.
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  6. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am with the mother, if she does not want some strange man taking video of her daughter, it is entirely her right to request that the stranger decist. He does not have to comply, of course, but to knock the mother for requesting some strange man not film her daughter is a bit far. Disagreements with policy and TSA in general aside, if she doesnt want a stranger recording her daughter, she has the right to ask him to stop. I would. Place this situation in a different light, say the man parks across the street from them and he is filming the kids in their own yard, while suspicious and borderline tolerable at best, this is technically ok. Would it bother you then? It is a fairly similar situation, and the added commentary was the filmers opinion, not the person participating in the screening. This is just creepy to me, because the commentary began like the filmer was a part of this group, speaking as if he knew what the younger child was thinking, and that he knew what was going on with them, when it turns out it was simply someone that disagrees with the process, filming some strangers, adding their own words and attempting to play on the viewers emotions to garner support for their views. Then when the mother asked the strange man to stop filming her daughter, he became indignant with her, then some comments here seem to be knocking the mother for trying to stop a strange man from filming her young daughter....

    I have no problem with folks taking video of their own friends and family with their permission, but to knock the mother for asking the man to not to film her daughter is going a bit far.
  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I don't agree. It looks to me like TSA made some comment to the mother that triggered her to leave the screening area and confront the camera operator. If TSA can't stand to have their actions recorded, they should be don't it. Period. What happens in public and done by public officers is a matter of public concern. It is unfortunate that it is embarrassing to be a victim of TSA, but if there are not to be any more, the public must know of this.

    And it is not as if a stranger were filming my children playing in the yard. If a policeman were touching my children like this in my yard, I would be most glad to know that it had been videotaped.

    TSA cannot hide behind ordinary propriety to engage it what it is doing. Pistole (he deserves no title of respect, not even Mr.) went down to Congress and said we will have to change our ideas about propriety. And that is never more correct than here.
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    You are not asking an obvious question here Rugape. Namely, why is this mother objecting? Nobody would object if someone were videoing pax riding up an escalator. Yet, this matters. Why? Is it not because there is something here that the mother doesn't want seen? Is it because it is embarrassing possibly humiliating? Is it because the young lady is in a vulnerable position? Is it because this is something fairly private? Fairly sexual? Having a young woman get felt over like this by some random woman? Those are all reasons for the mother to want to hide this from view. That is why TSA wants to hide it.

    The mother's anger is misdirected. She should be protecting her daughter not from the filmer, but from the groper. Too blind to understand what's staring her right in the face. A testament to a society that has conditioned its people to accept such personal violations for no reason whatsoever, simply from a random indicator. This is a proud moment Rugape, for you folks in that agency, and for our people.
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  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I have to side with the mother. She's entirely within her right to ask that someone not film her child. Her motivations are of no concern to us. There are plenty of perverts out there like this guy who was collecting pictures of young girls and photoshopping their heads onto nude torsos.

    She was over the line & risking both a physical confrontation & possibly disorderly conduct or assault charges by getting in the photographers face like that.
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  10. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Agreed, the arguments over policy and such are the bigger argument that should be the focus, not a mother confronting a strange man filming her daughter. Agreed that she may have risked a physical confrontation, but many parents would err in that fashion if they think their child is being threatened in some way. We do not know why she was upset, but I can sympathize with her actions based on the situation.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Rational people don't let thugs grope their children, thus avoiding the entire question of anyone filming it.
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't fault her for wanting to protect her kid. It's great that she does. But she should focus her anger on the TSA that is making a public spectacle out of her daughter in the first place and is groping her daughter's breasts because some random indicator said it was this girl's turn to be groped. That is sick and disgusting. To do this to someone for those reasons.
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  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    In any discussion of the TSA, such adjectives are redundant.
  14. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    I have very mixed feelings about this video. First, I completely understand the mother's concern that some strange man is videotaping her daughters. Trust me, as a mother of a daughter, if I saw some strange man videoing my daughter as she was being disgustingly groped by the TSA, I would ABSOLUTELY go ballistic and make sure he was stopped. I would assume he was likely doing it for prurient reasons - think of the sick mentality that would want to have a video of a young girl being molested in public! We know there are pervs like this out there ((expletive deleted), most of them work for the TSA!).

    But I am also, of course, horrified that it was happening at all. I totally agree with the guy who was doing the videoing that it was horrific that they were separating these children from their mother like that. The young one was left COMPLETELY ALONE AND UNSUPERVISED while her mother had to oversee the groping of her daughter. That is beyond wrong.

    The mother appears to be one of the many Americans who is just oblivious to what's going on. The smurfs in the blue suits tell her to do something, she does it without question - including leaving her young daughter all by herself to watch their bags. At least she was within her mother's view, but the entire thing was handled wrong. If the TSA felt they had to grope the older girl (which, of course, shouldn't have been done in the first place), then they should have allowed the entire family to stay together, along with their belongings...not separated them, leaving a young minor alone and solely responsible for their carry-ons.

    I can't even count up the number of things disturbing about this entire video.
  15. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Agreed 100+%! And I can't even count the number of things that are disturbing about the screening process as a whole...there isn't enough time in the day!
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  16. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I'm of two minds about this.

    On the one hand, I think it's obviously great that TSA is getting recorded. The less comfortable they can be made, the better.

    On the flipside, recording other people's kids (always remember, gender doesn't matter - to say otherwise gives TSA a wedge with which to divide us) has a definite creep factor to it.

    Were it my own kids, I think I'd be objecting if they were under a certain age (though I'd be filming them myself to make sure I have a record of what the subhuman smurf-clerk was doing) but once they're old enough to understand civic responsibility I'd be keeping an eye on the person doing the recording and explaining to my kids the importance of "sousveillance," always recording and watching government actors in the course of doing their jobs. Once the kid can understand "Okay, this recording is being done to make fatso here nervous, not to make me a spectacle" then I'll have a lot less problem with it.

    A 16-year-old can grok that. A 7-year-old is much less likely to be able to and will probably just get freaked out. Plus you also have to play it by ear a bit, as each person is different and a parent is going to know their own children best.

    Of course, as has been said before, once all TSOs are out of jobs and starving to death on the streets this won't be a problem anymore. In the meantime, though, it's a worthwhile question to ask.
  17. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    I saw the karate chop between the breasts -- you had to look quickly. It looks as if the clerks -- male and female -- either baited the mother into objecting or latched on to her objections. Right before the filmer turned away, you could see "Refrigerator II" bolting around the corner making a beeline towards the filmer. It's probably a good thing that the filmer turned and walked away, because I doubt the large male clerk, with as much momentum as he had built up rounding the corner, that he could have stopped in time before running into the filmer.
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  18. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The whole thing is disgusting. What TSA does in public must be made public. But what if children are involved? I still blame TSA and their vile, loathsome way they dragged the children into this.
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  19. Stark1987

    Stark1987 Original Member

    First and foremost if I caught someone video taping my child, I would take that camera and shove it so far up their (expletive deleted) that it will record their food going through their intestines.

    Second, I don't see any wrongdoing on the part of the TSA agent. I side with the mother. I find it rather sick that a grown man is videotaping someone doing their job and making a big deal out of it. "As you can see she is groping the breasts" Gonna go jerk off to that sicko?

    Grow up people. Yes the TSA does make mistakes. But in this case they are doing their job and the mother doesn't look one bit concerned about it. If she had, she would have said something. However watching someone videotape her child and all of you in here go "She has no right"

    So let me get this straight, if someone were videotaping your child, whatever their reasons, you would allow it? You think and say that the mom has no right to be upset someone is videotaping her child? If someone is sick minded its all of you.
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That will get you arrested and added to our well-read logs of TSA criminals.

    As I said above, the mother is entitled to ask that he not record her daughter. Physically preventing him from doing so constitutes disorderly conduct or assault, depending on how far she goes.

    As government employees, TSA cannot prevent public photography, even at the checkpoints. At some point (perhaps sooner than you think), that is going to get some of their pretend "officers" sued as individuals for exceeding the scope of their duties and violating constitutional rights under color of law. There is already one such case underway where the "officers" are being sued as individuals, although the first amendment issue in that case involved a constitutionally-protected message written on the guy's chest.

    Welcome to TUG, by the way. We actually enjoy having "officers" drop by and give us more examples of the 'tude that makes flying so unpleasant these days.
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