TSA admits Nude-O-Scopes require 2.5X-3.5X more wait time than WTMD

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    ... but, but ... wasn't TSA once claiming that Nude-O-Scopes were both faster and more efficient?

    WIVB: Airport full body scanners mean delays

    They've been pushing these things & claiming they were more efficient for two years now even though any idiot who could look at time his watch twice & do subtraction would realize otherwise.
  2. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Someone at TSA figured out what a second hand is for.

    I have clocked 10-12 seconds for the MMW vs. 2-3 for WTMD.

    The BKSX takes even longer since the peeper has to check the naked pics, front and back, before clearing he pax.

    I suspect that the scanners may be a factor in the RSW problem. If the airport was busy and the lines slowed up because of the push to use the scanners, the gropers probably had to back off the random gropes to keep the lines bearable.
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    "You're gonna go through a whole body x-ray. If you opt out of this, you'll go through what's called the patdown" yeah. what's called the patdown. we all know it's really the lech rub and rub. Criminal jerks.
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  4. barbell

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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Bring it on, baby, bring it on.
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  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    It's funny, in a sad sort of way, how incredibly stupid the "people" making decisions at TSA are.

    Did they really think that no one would connect these dots? Did they honestly believe that the scanners were "as fast" as the WTMD? I vaguely remember a carefully worded statement somewhere along the way that the scanners were faster, and less human capital, intense (for TSA's convenience, of course) than the pat down. They've unilaterally decided that pat downs or strip searches are the only viable way to mitigate a liquids or powder explosive threat. They therefore convinced themselves that WTMD were obsolete, and that scanners had to go everywhere and be the only screening available. That or a groping.

    Well, here we are.

    These waits are only going to get longer. And longer. These machines aren't going to get appreciably faster. All of the software upgrades in the world won't improve these junkatrons. Imaging is the wrong search methodology for what they think they're looking for. The only reason these lines aren't longer is because fewer people are flying.

    I can't wait until this time next year when it's full-blown all scanners, all the time, with intermittent Corbetts to mitigate the obvious detection-capability failures built right in to the design of these things. My God, these TSA "people" have got to be the biggest morons on Earth.
  7. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    We now have the MMW/ATR AIT at GSO and it takes about 3 seconds to scan and bring the next person in. If you have a decent crew working the checkpoint, the difference is almost negligible, but it does take a little longer. The biggest difference has been in pat downs, the actual interaction time with folks that have medical devices/implants that are able to go through usually take no longer than everyone else using AIT. It also cuts down on the number of people recieving the SPD. Where many folks with metallic items on them, the AIT gives you the chance to clear only what is showing as an anomaly (left pocket, right pocket, etc). Overall, I have not seen much of a time difference, but we are a smaller airport.
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    With a WTMD there is no need to stop and take position in the "I surrender" pose.

    With any form of Strip Search Machine that simple is not the case and having to stop for the pose will simple take longer. I don't know how a person of any level of intelligence would try to argue differently. Perhaps only a few seconds but multiply that by a few thousand people per day and the wasted time adds up. I suspect the real time waster at TSA checkpoints is the useless TDC position with the stupid name games TSA plays.

    It would be refreshing if just one person at TSA had a concept of security but sadly that seems to not be the case.
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It'd be even more refreshing if one or more TSA employees had a backbone or a conscience, and were willing to say "No, I'm not going to do these stupid and evil things to innocent people."

    All of those quit in November 2010 or prior, though, which is why we have the current stack of thieves, thugs, and morons at the checkpoints - the dregs of humanity, unfit for any real employment.
  10. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Consistent with what I witnessed at SFO a few weeks ago, when only one lane was open, to handle over a hundred passengers. The checkpoint could process around four passengers per minute.
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And SFO is staffed by the much-vaunted private security.
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Except when you want to randomly do a full body grope on someone without cause, such as Senator Paul, who was unconstitutionally prevented from returning to his Senate session by you folks, even after going through your perp pose machine, unless he consented to your hands over his butt and up his groin. Or when your machine screws up on body sweat or some clothing material and you get a couple of anomalies that trigger the full body assault and you folks go to town on our private parts. Adding greatly to passenger distress is that this is totally unpredictable, which your moron and evilly disposed friend TSORon touts as a plus. Nobody would care if your process took a long time if the process could guarantee that we were not treated like criminals, forced through the obscene perp pose machine (MMW) or the strip seacher (rapescan) nor physically and sexually molested without cause. (Machine functioning poorly does not constitute cause for you to feel me up.)

    I could give a sh*t about how long it takes or does not take for you people to violate us.
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I couldn't. ;)
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  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I know this is an old thread, but I'm just going to drop a brief datum point.

    This morning I know someone who went to the security show. They actually bought a plane ticket to go somewhere else, but the assclowns at TSA insisted this individual play their little games of chance and enticement.

    At MEM, a small mid-sized airport, at 6:30 on a Sunday, they had 3 junkatrons running across 3 checkpoints, in spite of the fact they could have had 4 running. In spite of the fact they could have opened up WTMD lanes, they didn't. They just remodeled the main checkpoint where there are essentially 4 lanes available: 2 each of a WTMD beside a cancer box junkatron. Because apparently MEM TSA doesn't care about safety, they chose to operate 1 and I mean 1 ineffective junkatron that allows weapons and bombs through the checkpoints.

    So, while Rugape is so proud of the 3-second screening time, it took 40 minutes to enjoy the security show for a line of about 30 people. I certainly can't imagine a better way to spend my time.
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    How many of those same 30 people got follow-up gropes after going through the cancer boxes?
  16. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Don't know, wasn't there.
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA has claimed many times that the Strip Search Machines are a faster form of screening. Reports and evidence visible by anyone at any TSA checkpoint proves that claim to be false.

    So what word comes to mind about TSA? Liars!
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The VIPR teams are supposedly staffed by their "better" employees, and even they can't read a clock as evidenced by the fiasco at the Savannah train station.

    I think it's safe to assume at this point that every last person employed by the TSA is either dishonest or stupid or both.

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