TSA Agent Threatens Woman With Defamation, Demands $500k For Calling Intrusive Search 'Rape'

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by THawk996, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Totally on board with "tyranny spreads like a virulent disease," but not on board with the violence. Regardless of what we think, the state has vast, vast resources of force and can crush any violent dissent without blinking.

    I'm saddened but not surprised to hear that so many comments at Slashdot are pro-Big-Brother and anti-Amy. I'm not even going over there to read them; too depressing.
  2. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    There's also an element of misogyny here.
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  3. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    I'm not saying that violent dissent against the massive US military is practical. Especially now. Just saying that change will not be possible through any other means. It is always that way with tyrannies. They won't willingly give up power. The majority of Americans are no longer pro-freedom. It is that simple. Most aren't even aware that the founding fathers of the country were Libertarians or that the constitution is mostly a Libertarian document. I don't know what America represents to them, but it most certainly is not freedom. Still, by definition the AFS cowards will not be willing to risk their lives to defend their 'safety and security'. So in terms of a shooting war there is that advantage. Those truly fighting for freedom usually have an edge over those just doing their military jobs or defending their government in a 'my country right or wrong' kind of way.

    Personally I believe that the US is a lost cause. Half a century ago it might have been possible to reverse things, but not anymore. Things have gone too far. People have changed and become brainwashed by pro-government anti-liberty ideas. A free republic experiment might be possible again somewhere, but it will have to start on a small scale in an area so remote and undesirable that no government would bother attacking us. Antarctica or an island in the Southern Ocean might qualify or in the distant future perhaps even a lunar base. But no matter what, violence will be necessary eventually. Freedom is not free. Building a large military manufacturing base would be the first order of business. Otherwise the budding republic could be snuffed out at the slightest whim of any politician. It has to be difficult enough in terms of loss of life to dissuade them. Luckily I think it would be decades before any country decided the The Free Republic was enough of a threat to send heavily armed ice breakers to Antarctica to fight the first Antarctic War. It would be tempting, but foolish to try to steal the Statue of Liberty and barge it down to Coronation Island or wherever. We'd have to build our own.
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Like most things our government moves like a pendulum, conservative to liberal and back again but never coming to rest. I have hope that some sanity will be returned to our government but until we elect people to office who place service to the country over their personal advancement and wealth I fear little will change.

    It seems that all forms of government grow to failure, some quickly and others over many years. I would hope that we have not reached the end of the "Great Experiment" just yet.
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  5. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    We haven't, there is still a lot of ruin left in the country, and so long as people speak up, we can yet be saved. That's why this threatened lawsuit is so dangerous. Just the threat itself is dangerous.
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    There sure seems to be a hatred for the feminine in our culture and it shows in how women are screened by the blue smocked matrons at checkpoints.
  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I suspect there is an element of classism here as well, not that anything TSA is doing is right. But I keep reading when people write about being groped, that the perp was likely ill-educated, used improper grammar, etc.
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't see any chance of this lawsuit doing anything but making the TSA and its whinning employee look like complete dolts. I believe the screener will end up having to foot the bill for this action for both parties.
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It's not like they need any help on that front.
  10. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    What will happen, should this case ever be lodged, besides the counter claim and the inevitable OUCWA (Opened Up Can of WhupAss) is the following:

  11. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    I'm trying to think of a time when the pendulum swung the other way. I'm having trouble. In my lifetime the biggest change I have noticed is the recent acceleration toward a police state in the new millennium. Before that things seemed to chug slowly along in the direction of tyranny, but it was barely noticeable, like boiling a frog. Locally a tax or something like a seatbelt law might get repealed and then later reinstated. Montana highways were turned into an Autobahn for a while, but the safety record was too good. Not enough people were dying and the speed limits had to be reinstated (actually it was a federal funding issue). Back in 1980, Ronald Reagan talked like a Libertarian. I remember being shocked by his speeches when I was around 10. But it in the long run he didn't accomplish much. The government still grew larger while he was president. I think he just borrowed more money instead of getting so much from taxes like a typical republican.

    No. Government only moves in one direction like a snowball rolling down a hill. At the bottom of the hill always lies some kind of Dystopian-Orwellian-DDRlike-USSRish end. And by that time no one is strong enough to fight it. The best you can hope for is to somehow escape and squirm out of its iron fist. The Founders understood this and they believed they had a system that could prevent it. They had the best of intentions, but they were wrong. Or perhaps they would have considered a few hundred years of a Republic-If You Can Keep It to be a good run and rely on us, those of us who still believe in their ideas, to once again fight and die for a mere idea-to die for a philosophy. And one day after much bloodshed to once again live as free men. To break free from our chains and refuse to live as slaves. That sort of thing. New Hampshire's motto is "live free or die", but the US should have the motto: "better to live as a slave than to die free" or "better to live as a slave than to not live at all".
  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The break-point was about 2002. The security state escaped criticism, it even escaped funding restrictions.
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  13. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    Democrats and Republicans? There's no Republicans, a few Democrats, and mostly collectivists, many of which hail from Europe.

    /. commenting has been taken over by that new breed of technophile consumer hipster who seems to want government to take care of all the real important stuff, leaving them "free" to buy new gadgets and socially network, unless it comes to airport policy or copyright. For those things the government still seems to be big and bad.

    The comments section has gone to (expletive deleted) and is basically Digg now. Don't bother modding them down, there's too many of them.

    Many influential and intelligent people still read it, though.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I'd date it to September 12, 2001.

    "Malo Periculosam Libertatem Quam Quietam Servitutem"
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think that's inevitable. It's payback time for a lot of people who've been shat on in their lives to now do it to others. Not, obviously, defending or excusing any of it. Just acknowledging that, in addition to the propensity of human beings to abuse power anyway, when you add an element of "now it's my turn" to the mix, you end up with abuse multiplied.
  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I understand what you mean, but in my view, it took some time for the security state to get organized to use the excuse of 9/11. The ill-named "Patriot Act" was signed on 10/26/01, and it was the summer of 2002 that talk of war in Iraq began.
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, and I occasionally read put-downs of people who are not frequent air travellers as "Kettles" (Ma and Pa, I guess), and so forth. Also, the Pizza Box thing was funny, and perhaps a bit of a perception into TSA's mindset. But I think it's been overused quite a bit to the point where it's becoming obviously classist, and, as such, becomes less value as a tool against TSA.
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I have Dana Priest & William Arkin's series in my head -- their original Washington Post series last year, to which they're constantly adding, and their recent appearances on public radio and public TV to report on those additions. According to them, the secrecy and determination by the Executive branch to do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, however they wanted, began immediately after 9/11. Here's the WaPo link:

    Monitoring America
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Agreed. It's nasty to engage in class warfare of whatever kind, and it only serves to divide, which is precisely what our overlords want. The technique is as old as the hills.

    (Of course, I'm not discounting the value of humor and teasing and being able to take a joke. I can crack wise about my class -- latte-drinking, wine-sipping, over-educated, blah blah blah -- just as I can about anyone else's. But all that stuff can take a nasty turn if you don't apply common sense and just plain decency. I can't stand, for instance, people who use obnoxious terms like "trailer park trash." That tells me a lot more about the person speaking than about the subjects of their speech.)
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  20. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    +1 on Slashdot misogyny; that's one of the reasons I've never bothered to participate actively there.

    /. aside, I am somewhat heartened by the thoughtful and critical articles I've seen posted this week (and linked here by Mike, many thanks!), including one in Business Week, of all places, arguing that the costs of counterterrorism are too high. So perhaps we are seeing the pendulum swing back to sanity. I sure hope so.

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