Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, May 28, 2013.
So rubbing the crotch is the difference, eh?
As has been mentioned, another difference was the inner thigh, and the addition of "meeting resistance" to the advisements.
Well, at least you didn't deny the crotch rubbing. To many verifiable instances for denial anyhow.
OMG, so the whole PR thing explaining the "Enhanced patdown" in 2010, and the public outcry was some sort of collective hallucination? I wish, don't we all!
From PV at the time:
People keep talking about the "previous version." Prior to the roll-out of the body scanners, I'd never been "patted down" by a TSA employee. Nor do I recall witnessing anyone else being "patted down" by a TSA employee.
That said, I've been "patted down" by actual police and law enforcement, and what the TSA did to me is considerably more intrusive especially as regards forcefully running the hands up the inside of the thigh until making contact with my scrotum and testicles at what can only be referred to as "ramming speed."
Of course, Rugape will tell us that "that's not SOP," but it must be because it happens EVERY GODDAMNED TIME. So, either it IS SOP, or it is NOT SOP and the TSA and all of its employees are such asshats that they just get their jollies by abusing the public either way.
"meeting resistance" If by design and procedure you are making contact with genitals, you should say so. It is a legal and moral requirement for any kind of informed consent here. Clearly, your bosses know the political and legal fallout that would ensue if they said this explicitly, so they don't. They should be lined up against the wall for this dishonesty and assault against travelers.
just get your g*damned hands out of the inner thigh areas. Unless you have probable cause.
If you're hoping for Rugape to make a statement that actually makes legal and moral sense, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The simple fact that he/she/it self-identifies as a TSA employee should tell you everything you could possibly need to know about him/her/it.
IME, if "probable cause" exists it becomes a LE search, not a TSA search. Which is why I believe the private hut "pat downs" violate the law.
My statement is directed at his bosses. His job doesn't entail feeling genitalia. The problem here is that touching peoples genitals for no reasonable cause in a coercive setting like this that attempts to whitewash this activity as something other than what it is, is as gross a violation of a human being as there is. They pride themselves that they don't actually finger rape you, as if that is some credit to them.
Yes, it does - whether it's actually "him" feeling someone up, directing someone to be felt up by one of "his" fellow thugs, or providing material support so that some other blue-gloved pervert can perform the feeling up is irrelevant.
From the Taking Sense Away blog, we now know that this maneuver is called "splitting the upright":
“Splitting the upright”: Developed after the introduction of enhanced patdowns, refers to a screener’s hand coming off the leg during the search of the upper inner thigh and striking between the genitals, usually testicles, of the unfortunate victim, rather than remaining in contact with the leg until meeting resistance.
To put it simply:
The turning point will be when a TSA Clerk is charged and prosecuted for their crimes against the public.
Disavowed as SOP, but known well enough to have a nickname?:
Striking which can result in entering unfortunate female victims such as myself.
Not for want of trying.
Exactly the hand motion I described in my police report.
So TSA employees gave this type of assault a joke nickname, distancing themselves from the crime it is.
How likely is it they invented the maneuver themselves, spontaneously known across airports?
Pervole should be held accountable for the disgusting practices developed under his watch.
Agree with RB, it is a form of battery. I think the clerks just do the job of this sexual abuse of passengers, either trying not to think about it if they have something of a conscience, or by telling themselves stories, accepting the myth put out by HQ that this act is necessary to protect passengers. It clearly is notnecessary , as evidenced by most civilized countries getting by fine without it. Even if it were useful, it is reprehensible and ought not to be done. You wonder how these people can look in the mirror. From what I've observed of TSA clerks wearing their uni's out in public NOT in the airport, they don't. They have a hard time looking ANYONE in the eye. Conscience at work.
The TSA is on the losing side here also. US citizens will not accept this. The more people TSA abuses, the more pressure will develop against the practice. There is no reason to accept the airport as a hostile and dangerous place because of dim witted and/or malicious TSA clerks and slightly less dimwitted but more malicious apparatchiks at HQ who have a predisposition to hurt people.
KrazyKat, what you experienced is not only a possible occurrence but a likely one, given the TSA's new inner thigh search. It invites such abuse and for that reason should be immediately stopped. Terrorists are not our enemies here. The TSA is.
TSA employees take great effort to hide their names from the public. It's not from concerns of privacy but embarrasement of their job and fear of prosecution as a pervert.
Another thing we learn from "Splitting the Upright" is it's a deliberate practice, possibly retaliatory, so someone at TSA trained people to do this. So, in no way is it the result of "one off" behavior from "bad apples," as Pervole and HQ would have. The responsibility shouldn't stop with the low-level, low-life TSOs.
The ones who are proud of their "job" with the TSA frighten me more than the average blue-shirted thug.
where is it possible to get redress for offenses like you suffered, KrazyKat? Other than preremptory actions that would land you in jail?
It is unreasonable on its face to allow a TSA clerk have full run over your body with their hands. There is no way to protect yourself. Any reasonable person would see the problem with this.
Where indeed. Whether my experience was the standard or a special version of the reprehensible, violative secondary procedure, like Caradoc said about his nutchops:
What's huge, personally, is having "Splitting the Upright" corroborated and described as a type of deliberate practice. I take it as evidence.
Good for the gal and her Mom taping this. I can't bring myself to watch it.
My thoughts are that the only way to get justice is to make a citizens arrest knowing there is risk in doing so. I would want to know that risk before making such arrest. Some states do not recognize this type of arrest. One thing that you can be sure of is thst TSA will call out the heavies to make your life miserable.
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