TSA bomb-sniffing dog bites woman at Hartsfield-Jackson

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, May 11, 2013.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Many predicted this would happen. I believe there was a prior incident but not as severe as this one.
  2. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    TSA training. Way to protect and serve, morons:

  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    like a piece with TSA. shoddy performance, shoddy employees, shoddy tools, and shoddy dogs. And despite it all, intent on getting into the sexual zones of passengers. disgraces to the human race.
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  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The TSA keeps using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach


    Just a love chomp. :D
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  6. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I really hope this lady sues and publicly and as painfully as possible makes TSA, APD and DHS looks like the biggest group of buffoons in the world in the process of collecting.

    I'm not scared of large breed dogs as more times then not they give a warning or tell before a bite. Little breeds like the beagles and such DHS tends to use do not give any warning/tell. I had a beagle that tore in to my left hand without warning and did damage similar to that lady. Sadly I bet this isnt the first time this dog has done this and is still alive, when it should have been destroyed or removed from duty permanently.

    IMHO That dog would have been on the deck 50+ feet away with a broken neck. As well as its handler looking for someone to save their sorry (expletive deleted) as I'd be zero'd in on really making them a smurf.
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If you think this was bad, wait until one of their "screeners" loses it and bites a traveler.
  8. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Surprised it hasn't happened already.
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  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I pray that when said smurf steps out of line the person promptly removes the smurf from the gene pool.

    Same here.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Seems the handler should lose all certifications.
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    they can bite me.
  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I don't think this would have happened if the handler did not have an agressive, hostile attitude toward the flying public. That, or the dog was being handled by someone who was unfamiliar with the animal.

    An unprovoked bite doesn't come out of nowhere. I'm not blaming the victim, but I'm not blaming the dog either.

    Whatever happened, it was ultimately human error on the part of one or more TSA employees.

    I further tend to believe that the reason why the paramedics and TSA view the woman's injuries differently than she does has to do with the elapsed time between the initial treatment of the wound and her photographs.

    Every dog bite I've ever seen has looked and felt worse a few days after than it did immediately after the incident.

    1. The victim has a lot of adrenaline flowing, and may not even feel the injury for several hours.
    2. The bruising doesn't show until the 2nd day, and doesn't become spectacular until the 3rd.
    3. Bite lesions are mostly punctures, which are practically invisible when fresh and clean. They are far more visible as the begin to heal.

    Due to natural defensiveness over their own culpability, dog owners tend to minimize the harm done to a bite victim, while the victim's terror and sense of violation tends to magnify the harm in their minds.

    The TSA needs to accept that these dog related incidents are always the handler's fault, and must be prevented at all costs. The dog and the victim can't be blamed, because neither chose to be placed in proximity to each other under circumstances the hapless dog found overwhelmingly stressful.
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  13. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Well, we know that's not going to happen.

    The rips are from "the handler" jerking the dog away while its teeth were still piercing her midriff. When asked, the handler said her blue blouse could have attracted the dog.

    The TSA response :rolleyes: :
    TSA is advising adults, especially those with children, to be extremely cautious around the dogs and don't do anything to startle them.:td:
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The woman's name is Sue, so I do have some hope.
  15. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Agreed, the bite is not unprovoked, we just don't know what the provocation was at this point. It could have been something as simple as a scent on the passenger, or in the vicinity around the passenger. It sounds more and more like the handler was not exercising proper handling techniques with this dog. There are simply too many variables to take into account to judge the whole of the situation based on the news accounts I have seen - but my speculation is that the handler was not as aware of the dogs reactions to stimuli as they should have been. I am not a trainer or handler, but I know when my dogs are about to have a dust up (as most dogs will do every once in awhile), when they are nervous, or when they are feeling threatened - the least I would expect is for a professional handler to recognize those signs in the dog assigned to them.

    One clerical point, the actual handler works for APD if I read correctly.

    Agreed 100% on the statements about dog bites, I had one when I was 13, and it looked just fine, 3 days later I thought my leg was gangrenous.

    Any company that employs dogs as a part of the workforce should accept that the handlers are ultimately responsible for the dogs actions. Not that I expect that particular line of thinking to come to the front - most likely, the dog haters will call for the dog to be put down (which seems to be the norm after just about any dog bite with some publicity), and the dog lovers will call for the dog to be retrained or even better yet, put out to pasture to live a life of chasing tennis balls in the back yard (of course, I lean towards the retrain/retire option myself).
  16. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    what a load of :trash: if the dog did make a second attempt then the dog needs to be put down along the the handlers

    Don't do anything to startle the dog like what implanting my boot in the dog ... that or wrap the leash around the handlers neck then throw a dog biscuit to the opposite end of the concourse for a little just desserts.
  17. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    So, once again, TSA has created a situation where they have acted in some way improperly and in this case have actually injured an innocent bystander.

    And yet, it somehow remains to be the public's, not TSA's, fault.

    What universe are these "people" living in?

    And didn't an incident similar to this one happen before? I seem to remember there was an incident with a TSA dog on a light rail-type system in Dallas, maybe a year ago? I think we even discussed it here. I'm going to go look for it...



    Edited to add: can't find it right now, but I'll keep looking. I know I didn't imagine it...
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  18. Al Coholic

    Al Coholic Member

    But will a traveler then turn into a smurf?
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The anonymous pig who is handling this dog is a complete & total retard.

    First he mishandles the dog and it bites her; then he apparently leaves.

    Then he returns WITH THE SAME DOG "to check on her" (to see if maybe the dog liked his snack & wants some more?) and it tries to bite her a second time.

    The dog should be put down and the idiot pig should be reassigned to the parking division, assuming that he's even capable of writing tickets.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And that the dog was trained to the "quality" level we've come to expect from the TSA.

    The TSA refuses to take responsibility for the rest of the blue-shirted dumb animals in their actual "employ." Expecting them to take responsibility for the poor training of smarter animals is wishful thinking at best.
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