TSA Conducts Random Car Inspections at SRQ

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wendy Thomson writes about it at TSA News -- take a look. She does something really good at the end; I don't want to give it away.
     
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  2. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    :( It's like watching Romeo and Juliet and hoping that this time they don't die at the end.

    You and I and everyone here knows exactly what both sides are going to do. The sheeple will see the shiny badge and do what they're told. The TSA will claim that

    Read that first line again. "Everything TSA does is legal under the 4th amendment." I don't believe that's true of what happens at airport security checkpoints today, but TSA is willing to extend that blanket of "it's all an administrative search and therefore legal" to everything they do.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    No, they won't. The Supreme Court has been very specific as to what's allowed at checkpoints in the two situations that have been carved out in the case law: DUI checkpoints and CBP checkpoints withing the 100 mile border zone. There is no way that blanket stops & searches lacking probable cause will pass muster. It just has to reach the Supreme Court.

    In the meantime, I would actually encourage more of this activity at airports. The more people who are abused, the more people who will stop flying. Ultimately it is the airlines who are going to have to put a stop to all this stupidity by saying enough is enough.
     
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Which is quite in line with Reichskommissar John "Pissy" Pistole's assertion that they already have the authority to strip search all passengers.

    It's all bull:poop:.
     
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'm going to give it away ...

    Because there is something you can do to foster that result: Find a sidewalk ahead of the checkpoint and stand there with a sign that says: "Checkpoint ahead -- you have the RIGHT to REFUSE to be searched."

    In similar situations where people posted or held up signs warning of speed traps and were arrested for "interfering" with the officers, the courts have held that such speech is protected under the first amendment and the convictions were reversed.
     
  6. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Courts in NY have upheld warrantless searches of subway riders' bags -- essentially checkpoints at the turnstiles -- using the "special needs doctrine". A doctrine which, of course, is not in the Constitution, but which courts have used to make exceptions to the Fourth Amendment.

    I suspect that many Americans would not consider this an abuse. "It's an airport! Attacks have started from airports, and I want to be safe! Search away, I've nothing to hide!" The legality of these searches outside the airport checkpoint will only be determined if a driver declines a search, is arrested for some specious charge or is prevented from proceeding to the terminal, and then sues the government.
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    ^

    Actually, the sooner DHS/TSA extends its searches to more manners of travel, the sooner many of the AFS gang will begin changing their tune. Although it's discouraging that so many people are still AFS, we have come a long, long way in the last few years. You all will recall that 5 years ago or so, comments made to anti-TSA articles were almost unanimously supportive of the TSA. This has done a 180, especially since November 2010.

    Bart used to claim that members at the other place, the "whiners", were the only people in the world who spoke out against the TSA. Perhaps there was some basis to that claim but no longer.
     
  8. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    If I'm driving down the road and there is a checkpoint and this happens to me, I politely tell them I don't consent to the search. I also probably make sure to flick on the video on my phone before they approach the window of the car.

    Where is this checkpoint located? If it's on airport property it might be upheld. But it might not. If it's on a highway, there is no way a "special needs against terrorism" excuse is going to be upheld. Searches on subways are completely different than searches on the highway.
     
  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    1. Loved the Wendy Thomson article. People should read it and memorize it when anyone wants to search their car.
    2. Mike's right - there is a lot of case law about checkpoints, including Supreme Court decisions. DHS/TSA can make any pronouncement they want about the legality of their searches; it still doesn't make them legal. Checkpoints on roads (not on airport property) are not special needs searches and will not be upheld by a court.
    3. Subway searches have their own line of cases and these are quite different from the line of cases that have resulted from checkpoints on roads.
     
  10. Fisher1949

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  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    from the article

    With their blue and white SUVs circled around the Main Street office, at least one official was posted on the door with a semiautomatic rifle, randomly checking identifications.

    And matching them against a terrorist watchlist? A list of known criminals who hate social security? No? Then what was the point of checking IDs? Doesn't add anything at all to the security of the building or those inside it....
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not to mention the fact that you're under no obligation to produce it.
     
  13. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Is this not the most rediculous thing they have ever done? C'mon, you idiots at DHS, get a clue: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT A WAR ZONE!!! (at least not yet...wait until you piss off a few more of us Texans...:eek:)
     
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  15. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    As I said elsewhere(;)), the military sets up checkpoints like this in war zones around the world. This makes it clear to me that their intent is to make all of America a war zone, and part of that is the NDAA. The NDAA is probably the worst piece of legislation ever passed in the US. The a$$hole president and elected representatives have found a way, in bad times, to do the absolute worst, which says a lot about their character and morals. If you want to see who somebody really is, view them in trying times. I think we've done that, and it isn't respectable to say the least.
     
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  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    (expletive deleted), these times aren't even trying. Not for them. They're trying for the millions of people out of work, out of homes, out of medical care, out of luck, but they're not trying for the Prez and the wankers in Congress. What they're doing is worse. They're exercising power for the sake of power. God only knows what will happen if times actually do get trying for them; rather, I think we all know.
     
  17. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Conditioning.

    It's not about security of anything or anyone related to that office. It's about getting the populace to be use to seeing them, submitting and complying one step at a time.
     
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And most -- the vast majority -- of the populace is playing along.
     

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