TSA Detains Rand Paul

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  1. RATM

    RATM Original Member

    Excellent post. Paul supporters are in a fight of the century right now to win the primary. Yes we hate Obama, but being a Democrat is probably his least offensive quality. He betrayed the country, and his own base. None of us were excited about Bush, and we have a chance to start hacking away at the root causes of these economic and political disasters. The TSA is just one boil on the (expletive deleted) of our country - there's a disease afflicting the whole body. If we don't get the doctor into the office soon, I don't feel good about the patient's odds.

    If you're a Democrat, you could actually do a lot for the cause of peace and civil liberties by helping us out in the primary process. In the general election you can always support Obama (if you think that is wise), but at least you can keep us from facing the prospect of a Romney or Gingrich presidency. There's actually an organization called Blue Republicans that is doing just that:

    http://www.bluerepublican.org/
     
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    A friend of mine just changed her affiliation from Independent to Republican simply so she can vote for Ron Paul in the primary. (You have to be registered either Dem or Rep to vote in the Maryland primary.) I'm keeping my Independent registration but will, as y'all already know, write in a candidate's name in the general election.
     
  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Love it! In CNN interview 1/29:
     
  4. RATM

    RATM Original Member

    I think that's excellent. What other candidate could possibly bring people across political lines like that? I'm actually not familiar with your intentions - who were you planning on writing in?

    If Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination, we'll have 4 more years of Obama and there will be a LOT of write-ins for the general election, which goes right back to KrazyKat's post - can you imagine what will happen to the GOP's numbers with an exodus of Ron Paul supporters? I don't think the neo-con establishment really understands this.
     
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Every TSA employee is a boil on the (expletive deleted) of the country. They're just symptoms of the disease.
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    One of the things being argued about on the Other Site is the fact that the TSA clerks violated the Constitution by impeding Senator Paul on the way to a scheduled vote. While that is a violation, I don't see any penalties attached. Wouldn't it be nice to see Pissy and his clerks up on Contempt of Congress?
     
  7. RATM

    RATM Original Member

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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, I was going to write in the name of one of my cats, but now I think I'll write in either Jill Stein (Green Party candidate) or Bernie Sanders.
     
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Paul continues to get healthy percentages of the primary vote. Yet clearly he is not on a trajectory to win it. His value consists in staying in this til the end, and shaping the debate wrt civil liberties and monetary policies. Karl Rove said over the weekend that it was critical to do whatever it took to "keep them [the Paul camp] happy" and engaged for the general election, which means these issues will get attention during the campaign. It is going to be Romney whether we like it or not and he will be able to defeat Obama. 2012 has two many s**tstorms in store for Obama. People will be looking for a reason to fire that clown.
     
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Doesn't matter in my book. Romney is the white Obama and Obama is the black Romney. Take your pick.
     
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  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Seriously, there isn't an inch of difference between those two beneficiaries of Goldman Sachs donations etc. So strange that Romney is touted as electable, but against whom? Why would someone (like the 40% Independents) vote for Romney over Obama? A hardcore hater will, but you've moved so far into Obama's territory that it makes no difference. Romney won't win. Paul could. Gingrich can't.

    The MSM polls scrupulously avoid head-to-head polls Paul to Obama because they don't want the information out there.
     
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Formerly known as Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum.
     
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  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yes and no. Romney at least knows at a gut level the obstacles to economic and political freedom that government presents simply by existing and having power. You can't be in business without really hating that. Still, I agree that with either one we are still heading for the bottom with little attempt to change direction. It is clear that Paul will not be nominated. Too many people don't understand simple economics, too many don't understand the deep hole that our country has slid into.
     
  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Trying to coalesce around a candidate like Romney to challenge Obama is an exercise in futility. Yes, it's "his turn", like it was McCain's, like it was Kerry's, but Obama at least showed that the annointed do not always end up with the nomination. The party etc. may not allow a Paul GOP nomination, but that's their choice in losing the election.
     
  15. RATM

    RATM Original Member

    I don't see what makes that so clear. Iowa and SC both demonstrated that the GOP is trying to find someone other than Romney. There's no way 'Moon Base Gingrich' is going to do well past Florida. Santorum isn't going to be in much longer. Paul will be the only anti-Romney candidate in time. And as KrazyKat pointed out, any head-to-head poll shows Paul doing the best against Obama. Nothing is clear at this point.

    Obviously you're right that Romney could be the nominee, but I have to disagree with the general election. The Ron Paul r3VOLution is the only beating heart left in this elephant's carcass. Obviously that voting block won't be appeased by Karl Rove. It will vanish. Establishment democrats will form a phalanx behind Obama. When the youth and independent voting blocks leave with Ron Paul (and blue republicans for that matter), Romney won't stand a chance. While establishment Republicans might fear this, the Paul supporters won't care. Its the same nightmare scenario with different party color. Let it burn under a democrat. Maybe they'll stop being able to use the Bush excuse for Obama's incompetence.

    Or we could do everything possible to help the Paul campaign. Principal or Party? Might as well fight for the only candidate with a chance for victory in the general election AND the only candidate that will make positive changes if you ask me.
     
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  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

     
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I am voting for him, and throwing some money that way. I wish you were right. But I am quite sure you are not. He gets a lot of support, paradoxically, from the younger voters and independents, but appears quite distrusted by the older set. Trust me, Romney is not a victory for me. Marginally better than Obama. I do agree that unless the nominee energizes independants and young voters, he's facing an uphill battle against Obama. But Obama's support will not be what it was four years ago. Not even close.
     
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  18. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    As always I would vote Libertarian if I were going to vote. I do support abortion (if anything I envy those aborted fetuses), but I would also consider voting for Paul since AFAIK he is still basically a Libertarian despite his current party affiliation. Gary Johnson, a former governor of the Peoples Republic of New Mexico, is apparently considering a run as a Libertarian presidential candidate though and he seems promising too. As a long-time Libertarian I don't expect any pro-freedom candidate to actually win, but I don't believe in voting for that lesser-of-the-two-evils crap. That's what has gotten us to where we are now. The majority of Americans hate freedom. The only difference now is they are starting to get a taste of roosting chicken as we become a genuine police state. It's not enough yet. Things will have to get much worse than they are now and by then it will be too late. I hope to be out of the country by then.
     
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, it will have to get a lot worse before it gets better.
     
  20. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Live Free or Die.
    This isn't about unseating Obama to replace him with the same or worse. Like RATM said:
    Disagree strongly with Gojirasan:
    I don't believe that for a second-- I think most Americans are worn out from the rocketride to the bottom. They hate Congress and the vacuum of leadership, want to believe someone can make things better, but most by far think they'll just get screwed some more, no matter which Establishment candidate wins, and feel powerless.
     

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