TSA employees rescued woman who had been kidnapped - Coincidence?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Another example of "coincidental" timing of news stories that "just happen" to work out for TSA. Like when the heat was on TSA and suddenly we had the new underwear bomber. Sadly, Americans are idiots.

    TSA Deputy Administrator Testifies on Screeners' Misconduct
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I don't think this was a staged thing, but a lucky coincidence. It seems to have been a situation in which anyone could have seen that the woman was in trouble. We also don't know who else might have seen this woman and alerted the TSA. That's happened before and IIRC the TSA took all the credit.
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  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I was wondering when this story was going to show up here. Seriously, these kidnappers had no hope of success once they got that gal to the airport. Any number of people were going to notice there was a problem.

    It shows a serious lack of critical thinking skills to imagine the TSA agent and his special secret squirrel skills were required to detect this crime.

    I had to torpedo a "feel good" story, so I've been silent up to now. My general reaction to this is
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA's BDO's are paid to be observant. The victim in this case was wearing a head covering which I bet gets a second look from TSA employees, had a bruised face and other signs of abuse. and I bet most of us could pick out a person being held under duress if we just looked.


    I'll give a tip of the hat to these TSA employees to have intervened but it was not an exceptional act of intelligence or observation.

    What really should be made note of was the TSA employees not wanting to identify themselves because they are federal officers. These are TSA screeners, not undercover cops, and certainly not federal officers. They work for us and should we ready to identify themselves.


  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    They're trying to spin it to show how valuable their BDO program is. However, the incident has nothing to do with aviation security.

    Any decent person would have help that woman, who asked to be separated from the other four who were kidnapping her.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Agree, I thought my comments suggested this. Do I need to be more direct?:rolleyes:
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I have a big beef with the "federal officer" fantasy. A screener assaulted a citizen and stole her cell phone recently over the same delusion of grandeur. That shlop needs to go. They're not "federal officers," they're not even public servants. They shouldn't be federal employees. TSA screeners' excessively entitled attitudes need to go.
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I think I was responding to Doober's comment, hadn't yet made it down to yours. I opened up a bunch of windows around the start of a 9 a.m. phone conference and eventually read & responded.

    The position of a post does not mean the poster has read everything to that point.
  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Both the screeners involved in the incident referenced should have been prosecuted for impersonating a federal officer, at least according to what the TSA wrote in it's motion to dismiss Jon's suit:

  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    By law they are "officers". That's simply a given. And they qualify as "public servants", albeit poor ones.

    I understand where you're coming from, but you'd have more impact if you conceded the reality and lampooned it at the same time.

    A really good example was the recent thread title where the original poster (Elizabeth, I think) put "Officer" in quotes. That made the point so well in that context that when I added info about another "Officer" to the thread & title, I actually spent several minutes reworking the thread title to try to retain it for each of the "Officers", ending up with "Ofc" Tweedle & "Ofc" Dee".

    With regard to their not wanting to give their names, I think this was a wise decision in any environment. I can't fault them for that. As a general rule, bottom tier employees in any organization should not be running their mouths in front of TV cameras.
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I don't think they are "officers" by law. I know the change was made from screener to "officer" in an attempt to gain more respect for them by the flying public but AFAIK, it was an administrative change not a change in any law.
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Sorry, same comment as above. You (and Jon) are really wasting your breath on this.

    They are officers by federal statute.

    What the court filing stated (which is obvious to all of us here) is that they are not law enforcement officers. Never mind that TSA dresses them up in their cheap blue shirts & tin badges to give them impression that they are and have them accorded the respect they deserve ... :rolleyes:

    Think of ways to lampoon, mock it ... Officers of what, meine Gropenfrauen?
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If not "by law" then "under law", but the difference is semantic, the effect is the same. Claiming that they're not "officers" is whizzing in the wind.
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But it can be such a great fantasy. :D I especially like the cases where it really goes to their heads and they start flashing their toy tin badges at people off-duty. :D

    Remember that prison guards are "officers", too, and G. Gordon Liddy never passed up a chance to deride them as the lowest of the low. Wonder where TSA fits into his hierachy today?
  15. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I have always take the title Officer seriously, far seriously than the dictionary does. I wondered after I read your post, and I checked the dictionary. You're right, I've imbued the title Officer with far greater gravitas than the strictest definition of the word.

    Officer can mean very, very little. TSA little. I wish it meant more, as it always used to mean far more to me. I think the STRIP Act needs to be passed. I liked it when I thought an officer was someone worthy of respect.
  16. What does "officer" mean, then? Nothing? Can a grocery store declare their checkers "officers"? Is the STRIP act also whizzing in the wind?

    My New Oxford American Dictionary gives definitions in this order:

    1) a person holding a position of command or authority in the armed services, in the merchant marine, or on a passenger ship.
    2) a policeman or policewoman.
    3) a bailiff
    4) a holder of a public, civil, or ecclesiastical office: a probation officer, the chief medical officer -- TSA "officer" seems a stretch here, in that they don't hold an "office" per se
    5) a holder of a post in society, company, or other organization, especially one who is involved at a senior level of management: a chief executive officer -- also a stretch... can it really be said that an entry level job with not true authority is "holding a post," on par with a CEO?
    6) a member of a certain grade in some honorary orders

    It's just a dictionary, but I do think it's pushing it to find lowly TSA screeners in any of these categories. Maybe somebody with more than one stripe or a LTSO or STSO could conceivably fit into category 5.

    Not trying to argue with you, Mike, because I don't really know how it works, just going on logic here. But I really want to know what's beneath all the semantics.
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA can call their employees anything they want but we know what they really are!
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  19. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Close. Clerks rhymes with Jerks.
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Iwill leave the naming rights to each individual. Call them anything you like.

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