TSA executive admits not a single terrorist-related arrest has resulted from whole-body scanners

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, May 17, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    TSA News: TSA executive admits not a single terrorist-related arrest has resulted from whole-body scanners
    by Charles Leocha
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    How the h*** does strip searching and groping us ensure "freedom of movement for people and commerce"?

    What a crock of :trash:!
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    My understanding is that TSA has never made a terrorist related arrest, not one with all of the billions of dollars in equipment and manpower expenses that taxpayers have been forced to bare.
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well, really, how could they? All of their dog and pony show does such a good job of deterring terrorists that there's no need for them to arrest anybody.
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  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

  6. I wonder also about ensuring freedom of movement as it relates to hauling babies and guys reading books about airplanes off airplanes, dumping terminals over slight oversights, pulling guys' pants down and then arresting them for indecent exposure, unlawfully detaining women as punishment for insisting their breastmilk is properly screened, etc.
  7. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Yet none of these facts will change their bull-faced front nor change their ground. It's truly a pissing (I can say "piss" here can't I?) contest with reality.
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  8. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    They are deluded by their own self importance. It is no different than any other mob mentality where the mob becomes the mission and there are no limits to what it does. The scary part is that after awhile these people actually come to believe this garbage.
  9. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    We're already "there"/here.
    "Power corrupts" and all that, eh?
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  10. TSA News Blog

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    We call it mission creep. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) started out as an organization with a mandate to protect Americans from terrorists in the post-9/11 world. The TSA mission on its website is:
    The Transportation Security Administration protects the Nation’s transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce.​
    At a forum conducted by National Journal yesterday on aviation security, John Halinski, TSA’s Assistant Administrator for Global Strategies, claimed that the TSA mission was to protect passenger security. Not so. The difference in mission between what one of the administration’s top security executives and the TSA website claims makes a big difference in how the U.S. is spending time and money regarding “ensuring freedom of movement for people and commerce.”
    Halinski was asked directly whether there has been even a single instance of an arrest or detention of anyone, in any way, related to terrorism based on airport whole-body scanners. His answer was, “No.” Of course, he then went on to assert that the mere fact that we have these whole-body scanners is keeping terrorists away. (Evidently, terrorists don’t have access to websites that tell them which airports have whole-body scanners and which don’t.)
    Halinski also discussed how TSA was working through the new and expanding TSA PreCheck program to limit the amount of time that the public has to spend going through security checks at airports. He explained that based on risk analysis, frequent travelers, those with federal security clearances, military personnel, and Global Entry members will be able to pass through security without pulling computers out of bags, without taking off sports coats, without removing shoes. The effort is to save time overall for the public at security checkpoints. Of course, there will be random checks, pat-downs, and explosive trace checks.
    When I questioned Mr. Halinski about the current TSA searches for prohibited items such as tools of any sort, knives, and boxcutters that were prohibited immediately post-9/11 because the cockpit doors were not yet hardened, he claimed that TSA was protecting the security of passengers by confiscating knives and brass knuckles.
    His amazing answer was that though cockpits were now hardened, it was the mission of the TSA to prevent passengers from hitting other passengers with brass knuckles or from engaging in knife flights on a plane — a closed space where such a fight might terrorize passengers.
    I followed up Halinski’s answer, noting that this business of protecting passengers from knife fights was a bit of mission creep for TSA. I also stated that in the whole history of the U.S. airline industry there has never been a report of a knife fight between passengers on a plane.
    TSA should be the entity that should be pressing for relief from useless security checks that slow down the security process and end up costing the administration hundreds of million of dollars in money and time lost by passengers.
    A simple revamping of the forbidden items list could save thousands of hours of searching time and even more time when it comes to passengers waiting. Here is the TSA list, or click through to the link above:
    Box Cutters​
    Ice Axes/Ice Picks​
    Knives – except for plastic or round bladed butter knives​
    Meat Cleavers​
    Razor-Type Blades – such as box cutters, utility knives, and safety razor blades (disposable razors and their cartridges are permitted)​
    Scissors – metal with pointed tips and blades shorter than four inches​
    Swords – cutting or thrusting weapons, including fencing foils​
    Sporting Goods
    Baseball Bats​
    Bows and Arrows​
    Cricket Bats​
    Dumbbells/Hand Weights​
    Golf Clubs​
    Hockey Sticks​
    Lacrosse Sticks​
    Pool Cues​
    Ski Poles​
    Spear Guns​
    Tennis Rackets​
    Realistic Replicas of Firearms​
    Axes and Hatchets​
    Cattle Prods​
    Drills and drill bits (including cordless portable power drills)​
    Saws (including cordless portable power saws)​
    Tools, Wrenches and Pliers (greater than seven inches in length)​
    Martial Arts & Self Defense Items
    Billy Clubs​
    Black Jacks​
    Brass Knuckles​
    Self Defense Sprays – One 4-ounce (118ml) container of mace or pepper spray is permitted in checked baggage provided it is equipped with a safety mechanism to prevent accidental discharge. Self-Defense Sprays containing more than 2% by mass of Tear Gas (CS or CN) are prohibited in Checked Baggage.​
    Martial Arts Weapons​
    Night Sticks​
    Stun Guns/Shocking Devices​
    Throwing Stars​
    We at the Consumer Travel Alliance have no argument with limitations on “Guns & Firearms, Explosive & Flammable Materials, Disabling Chemicals & Other Dangerous Items.”
    When was the last time a plane was hijacked by a screw gun? When was the last time a passenger was threatened by a wrench?
    Has there ever been reported any violence in an airplane caused by Martial Arts & Self Defense Items?
    Anyone reading should get the idea. Searching for items that were dangerous before the cockpits’ being hardened to withstand even Dirty Harry’s favorite weapon, a .44 magnum, is wasting resources. Those items cannot bring down a plane.
    In the interest of “risked-based” security, TSA should be in the lead for changing rules that currently restrict the items I listed above. None of these items are a threat to “freedom of movement for people and commerce.”
    • Let’s continue increasing our intelligence operations to prevent future bomb attacks.
    • Let’s continue developing PreCheck programs.
    • Let’s focus on explosives by expanding the explosive-trace-detection systems at airports rather than leaving them in storage.
    • Let’s get rid of invasive whole-body scanners that even the TSA admits have not caught any terrorist.
    • Let’s not continue with the fantasy of unproven behavior detection at security checkpoints.
    • Let’s limit the minutiae we search for at security checkpoints and only deny passengers from boarding with items that could take an aircraft out of the sky.
    If we take these common-sense steps, TSA’s effectiveness will only improve, “security breaches” will drop, the time spent in security lines will decrease, and requests for additional funding can be all but eliminated.
    (Cross-posted at ConsumerTraveler.com)
  11. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    As a martial artist, this strikes me as funny. A properly-trained martial artist does not need tools or "items" in order to cause harm (or prevent another from causing harm, as is the far more likely scenario) on an airplane. This is especially true when you get into the more destructive arts like Hapkido or mantis-style Kung-(expletive deleted), which go for joint locks/breaks, eye-gouging, strikes to the throat, and the like. It's almost a shame TSCs don't verbally ask passengers "are you carrying any weapons today, sir/ma'am?" I wonder what their response would be if the answer was "Yes, I am my own weapon."

    Seriously, there's a reason you don't learn weapon forms until you've been practicing your art for a long time. Firstly, you can injure yourself if you don't possess the requisite degree of control (which learning the basics and studying the art's philosophy as a beginner will work to impart), and secondly, you don't need them. They're icing on the cake, not a necessity.
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Amen, I studied Taekwondo for 5 years when I was younger, and looking back wish I hadn't quit. Weapons were for black-belts only and I never made it that far. Foot to the head and you'd have horizontal smurf unconscious in the blink of a eye.

    Then the same goes for being a medic. I'm trained to save lives...180 degrees shift that same training you learn how you can really jack someone up, with very little or no equipment at all.... BP cuff around the neck and pump to 300 mmHg and the head becomes a zit.

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