TSA Exposed my Breast after pulling my dress down on 2/19/12

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Holycowjenny, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. Holycowjenny

    Holycowjenny Original Member

    FaustsAccount...that is an intersting depiction, and I could actually see that coming to a city near us soon as well....I can also picture in my head, me driving at night in the middle of nowhere alone and coming to a checkpoint, and then God only knows what would happen then after getting stopped. By the way what is their procedure on the road? Are they searching through cars and on ones person?
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    These highway events are exceptionally rare. They hang out mainly at weigh stations, occasionally rest stops. You don't have to give them the time of day, let alone consent to a search.

    The way their internet reputation is going, I would not be surprised at all if people don't start treating them as pieces of :trash: in places other than airports. They deserve every bit of scorn, despite & disgust sent their way.
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We've been stepping on VIPR's tail since day 1.

    Here is an excellent introduction to VIPR:

    As far I know, this was the last time they pre-announced any VIPR activities:

    If they ever give advanced notice again, we'll respond. :D
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Most of my travels by auto are through states that honor my CHL. If I can legally carry I do. If I am stopped by police I will never agree to a search but will not interfere with an officer who is intent to search but it will be without my consent. However, I don't recognize TSA as being a law enforcement activity and I will resist any search without warrant. If they wish to arrest me then so be it. I hope they are sure to wear a uniform and have a real cop with them since I might be in fear of my life otherwise.
  5. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Here's my post in another thread that hopefully expresses why think what I think:

    "This is my concern and I'll let the thread die:

    On the day after, 9/12 I did not ever imagine that just because I wanted to travel via the most modern mode of transportation I would have to be subject to take off my clothes in public down to last shirt, pants, and sock, have my entire body rubbed over, and all my belongings spread out and examined all the while I was discouraged not allowed to protest or react without further punishment of being put in a clear glass room and left to 'think about the situtation.' At the discretion of some dude/dudette with less than minimal training, sketchy background check in a mall cop uniform.
    AND the general public would accept this as 'meh, the price of living in an educated, free, democratic country.'

    As an American would never believed it, I would grunt and say "that's a common setting for a dystopia movie/novel based on an extremely oppressive dictatorship."
    But here we are today.

    So pardon me, if my brows furrow up at the future possibility of VIPR teams roaming the streets of America (or ANY country, honestly) with the ability to say
    "Hey you there, pretty redhead! Hop up and spread 'em, for your safety and the safety of others, we're gonna have to require you to submit to a transvaginal ultrasound. What?! If you're refusing then you're hiding somethin'! I need back up! Surround her and don't let her get away But block all video recordings except out own!"
    While other people are lining up squealing "Oh me next! Me next! I wanna be safe too!" and congress declaring "It's just a love probe!"

    Not possible in a million years? ............I sure hope not. I want to never believe this will be possible. "
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  6. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Jenny, welcome to TravelUnderground! Sorry I didn't pop in this thread sooner. :oops: I wish you could have found this site under better circumstances. What a terrible experience!
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  7. Holycowjenny

    Holycowjenny Original Member

    That is just brilliant! heheheh! thank you for sharing that Fausts! A-men....Great visual again!
  8. Holycowjenny

    Holycowjenny Original Member

    Hi N965VJ! thank you for stopping by and for the warm welcome! It's so nice to meet you, and everyone here! I love how passionate and dedicated everyone is. We need more of you in this country. Which I know there are, but it is great to see people being proactive and who are not going to just complain, but do something. I though to myself, "Ya know...I cannot complain about what I am willing to permit." If I am going to bitch about it, I surely need not sit on my butt and do nothing. I want to be a part of the solution and not sit on the sidelines crying about it, waiting for someone else to take the lead and do something. That is why I respect you all!!

  9. Holycowjenny

    Holycowjenny Original Member

    Boggy Dog...thank you for the feedback, as it gives me food for thought on how I must handle the situation, if God forbid I am ever in it. It would have been easy for me to forget my rights by their blue, federal, fraudulent looking, type uniform, and being put on the spot and under pressure. You have now helped me to make a mental note and reminder that they are NOT trained officers, and I do not have to submit to their unlawful authority, but a police officers, if it is lawful.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    They are not trained and certainly are not officers!
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  11. Holycowjenny

    Holycowjenny Original Member

    Didn't mean to post that so many times..it was showing on my end that I wasn't connected or something . :confused:
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    b..b...b..but they are FEDERAL officers.
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  13. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Boggie - I agree with you on that. Police I will tolerate, yet wont yield a inch beyond what they can do without a warrent.

    TSA on the other hand can go pound sand/FOAD and if they approach me outside of the airport there likely to have a laser on them center mass or between the eyes as they have no standing nor warrent for anything they do.

    A Armed Society is a Polite Society!
  14. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    in title only... hopefully that will be STRIPed soon!
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  15. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    That's because there are serious repercussions if proper LEOs overstep their bounds. Negative repercussions that are enforced.

    Administrative leave and retraining are NOT serious accountabilities.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, sometimes. As we know, police get away with horrible (expletive deleted) all the time.
  17. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    I haven't been around much because my skirts and I have been enjoying flying to/from sane countries and taking the train VIPR-free around France lately. :p (Sorry, had to toss that in there; 'rest of world' travel really is significantly and startling different)

    To address an earlier comment, I think that TSA agents do things for varied reasons. Some are lazy. Some don't want conflict. Some are bullies. Some actually do and try and do what they are told. Some are clueless.

    Just like passengers, there is a broad range of personalities.

    However, the big issue to me is the lack of monitoring of behaviours and actions, and the lack of acknowledgement of issues, and the lack of discipline or follow up. When issues occur, more often then not managers support their staff, or try very hard to deter one from complaining, or taking the issue further.

    Ultimately, these people ARE in a position of power. And as history shows, when a large number of people lacking skills or training or intelligence are in power, it can be very difficult for the rest of the population.
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    When a large -- or small -- number of people -- with our without skills, with or without training, with or without intelligence -- have absolute power, it will be very difficult for the rest of the population.
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Jenny's story now at TSA News:
    Woman exposed by TSA screener
    by BILL FISHER on MARCH 27, 2012

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