TSA FOIA Request: How To, PLUS Pics/Name/Address/Ph# of Abusive TSM

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Affection, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    Also true, and indeed, I have no choice. Almost all the documents I put on my blog are public record, and could easily be found by anyone who wants to look through the court's online records. Why should I have to put myself out there and keep the people who are abusing the American public a secret?

    Sorry, I refuse.

    --Jon
     
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  2. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    lol glad someone caught that. I have no idea why they were asking for my place of birth. Absurd.

    --Jon
     
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    ok. Just don't accept rides from strangers...
     
  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Jon, I was once threatened over the telephone and internet by some one who had acquired my personal information when I tried to keep this person from harming an elderly neighbor of mine. I know that's not what you're trying to do here. But because of this history of my own, it does bother me a lot to see this information posted. I would like to see it removed, and I would feel a lot more comfortable posting on this site if you would do so.
    --CP
     
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  5. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    I'm going to take the name and address off of this site, as a courtesy to and out of respect for you. But, please understand, when it's you that gets violated by a government official, you're going to feel quite differently and want them held personally responsible.

     
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  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We can't disallow anything and everything that someone, somewhere, is squeamish about. We'd have nothing left.
     
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  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Thanks!
     
  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Jon,

    For clarity: The only thing I object to seeing posted is the wife's pic. The rest is fair game.

    Government employees interfacing with citizens in the performance of their work have no right to privacy.

    Thuggish behavior on the part of Government employees must stop. Name and Shame may help.
     
  9. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    The picture with the wife in it is the only one I was able to find of him. Since Mike won't let me upload the pic myself, I can't edit her out of it and re-post. I feel that having a picture of the offender is important so that he can be recognized at the airport. Again, the picture was posted to Facebook by his wife, and I'm simply linking to that picture.

    --Jon
     
  10. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    I agree fully Jon. ^
     
  11. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I'm on the fence on this issue. While I understand that the perp's family may be exposed, assuming he has one, this is after all public information and would be disclosed if you were able to file a criminal complaint.

    The degree of "exposure" however assumes that someone would act on it which is quite unlikely. If that were the case there would have been hundreds of TSA screeners attacked by now.

    At minimum I hope you leave it up on your website or PM it to me for my nascent Hall of Shame list. If they weren't engaged in such a reprehensible occupation no one would have an interest in outing them. Nonetheless, I'll respect your magnanimous decision to remove the info from the post.
     
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I have no problems with it considering how TSA has violated its own privacy policy and trashed the consititution the information is far game. If they want to act like a bunch of tuck fards then they deserve to get called out in public If they dont like that there info has been pubicized they can always go into hiding as everyone leaves a paper trail in life, how far and wide depends on how much of a screw up you are.

    As for the internet search and getting information you would be surprised how much information you can get on a person, if you have a DL and SSN even more. The adage of "you can run from ford or chevy , but you cant out run motorola" is even more true now a days when you add in intel and google.

    I have done this more then once and everytime have come up with more information then I ever thought i could and been able to fix the issue and get the matter dealt with.
     
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  13. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I hope you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. Hard to distinguish online hyperbole from irrational thoughts and ideas.
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Especially for those people whose careers are based entirely on irrational thoughts and ideas - worse for those whose careers are based entirely on propagating them.
     
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  15. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    There is no "online hyperbole." No one on *any* forum I have ever read has threatened a TSA employee, ever, and certainly not within this thread. I don't think it plausible that someone will take it upon themselves to cause harm to a particular employee that violated my rights. I further don't think it's plausible that such a person, if so inclined, would not have access to whitepages.com.

    The bottom line is that if someone wants to harm a TSA employee, they're probably heading to the airport, where they can easily find one in the parking lot. As another poster has mentioned, this has never happened. The only one who gives a (expletive deleted) about this particular TSA employee is me, and if I want to harm a TSA employee, I will do it by taking his paycheck in court. ;)

    --Jon
     
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  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    OK, sorry I was critical.

    I hate the whole sorry business. The DHS & TSA has put citizens in an untenable situation.

    Some of the lawsuits against scope n' grope should have made it to court by now. Our colluding judiciary is culpable as well.

    We need to get the country back on track. If name and shame helps, so be it.
     
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  17. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    No apologies necessary -- you were expressing your feelings, and I completely understand. A couple months ago, before I had a specific TSA employee violate my rights, I thought it was weird that people were posting personal contact info as well. In fact, if you search FT, I'm sure you can find a post by me saying it seems unnecessary. But, when someone does it to you, it makes you realize that the people who are complicit with out government's rights abuses need to be held publicly accountable. Doing what's in the SOP doesn't make it "right," and in my case, the guy went beyond the SOP and started inventing his own procedure to the detriment of my civil rightst.

    --Jon
     
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  18. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    This is why I have no qualms with a public servant of the TSA being outed on the web. If the TSA/DHS had as much concern for citizens rights/privacy/decency as their employees want us to provide them, we wouldn't be here. The TSA/DHS, judicial and representative branches can all share the blame for whatever happens as a result, public outing or personal information included.
     
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  19. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    ...and of course, the TSA is much better about committing violent crime on TSA employees than the general public:

    Miss. TSA official charged in fatal stabbing

    Summary: an assistant federal security director (AFSD) killed a female TSA screener.

    When someone is given the right to ignore some of the laws (as, for example, the TSA is allowed to ignore the 4th Amendment), it is natural that they will assume that they can ignore all the laws. Both my address and the TSM's address are easily accessible to anyone who cares to spend a few minutes searching the Internet, and I think it's quite fair to say that I have more reason to be concerned for my safety than he does.

    --Jon
     
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  20. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    1. No one has violated your rights. Get a lawyer and challenge it; that's certainly your right. However, if you want to stick to the hard facts, TSA procedures do not violate your rights.

    2. You demonstrated how irresponsible people like you can be by posting pictures of the family, home address and phone number all in the name of some crusade. You are naive if you don't believe that some wacko could carry out some act of violence using that information. You sit back and justify it by sticking to some technicality that it's all public information. The difference is that you made an effort to piece it together. It was the act of others (e.g. the webmaster pulling the photo image) that made up for your irresponsibility. In my eyes, you are no different than the anti-abortion idiots burn down abortion clinics or anti-gay retards who gather at the funerals of dead troops.

    3. I don't give a damn how you feel about TSA employees. But when you involve families, then you have become a hazard and a threat. You not only crossed the line, you've jumped over it.

    Today is my first day back at work after a good vacation. I'm going to submit an inquiry about your little stunt more for my edification than anything else. However, IF it turns out that DHS can take some action against you, then I will submit your name as it appears on the internet link you willingly provided. After all, it IS public information. So don't spend YOUR paycheck so quickly, cupcake.
     

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