TSA FOIA Request: How To, PLUS Pics/Name/Address/Ph# of Abusive TSM

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Affection, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    #1 - You must have missed the more recent "stunt" where the TSM did NOT follow procedures with me, and instead threatened me with arrest and forcible search when there was no lawful basis to do so. This is a clear violation of my rights, and has NOTHING to do with the SOP. Read my thread about getting kicked out of FLL.

    #2 - The fact that the information I posted is public is not a "technicality." ANYONE could have looked it up, and again, if you think that someone with intent of harm would not have spent the 10 minutes I did, you're the one that's naive. It's kind of like how the TSA thinks that if they install a technology in half of the airports of the country, that a terrorist will give up his plot rather than travel to one of the airports that doesn't have it.

    #3 / last paragraph - Good luck with that. There is no law, regulation, or rule against re-posting public information. As you can see, no threats were made. You and the rest of your abusive bureaucracy can kiss my (expletive deleted).

    --Jon
     
  2. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Or, y'know, pick one of the millions of softer targets without going anywhere near an airport.
     
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  3. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Lol. Sounds like plain and simple retaliation to me. We used to wonder where it came from and now we know.

    Wonder who died and made Bart TSA's only superhero?
     
  4. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    it's part of the 'training'...
     
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  5. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    That might be the only part of the training that TSOs seem to have retained. Don't get mad - get even.
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Also note that the webmaster removed the picture only out of concern for his own financial (expletive deleted), not out of any heartfelt concern for the TSA employees. My issue with photos is that usage is generally 100%, and 100% usage stands a strong chance of not being adjudicated "fair use". Then there's the issue of Righthaven & potential clones. Proving you're right can be expensive.

    There is NO prohibition here at TUG against the posting of names, addresses, phone numbers and photographs. I do ask that you be sure the information is correct and that the photographs be your own. Links that result in the photographs being displayed on other hosts are acceptable.

    Let's not forget that our flying dropped from 125K miles apiece to zero after my wife was groped. There is no love lost for TSA between us, and we live for the day that TSA ends up in the landfill of government waste where it belongs.
     
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Obviously the gas pump and pizza box ads listing "X-ray vision" as a "superpower" have had some impact.
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Be nice, both of you!
     
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  9. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=nice

    We're rarely nice. We work hard to be good. We work hard at being polite. If people knew how bad we could be, they'd appreciate our self-restraint. If nobody is rolled up in a fetal ball gibbering incoherently, then it should be taken as a sign that we've been on our best behavior this AM.

    Really and truly, I've been a model of decorum, and I'm certain all the other denizens of this board are doing their level best to behave as well.
     
  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    :D
     
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    DHS can't take any action, Bart, and you know that full well. You're just huffing and puffing.
     
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    One reason why it is very important to name names public is to provide that information to assist future victims of abuse at the hands of public officials. This is especially true for police officers but applies to others as well.

    In response to any particular complaint or incident, they will stonewall, present themselves as model employees with no "issues" prior to the current one, etc. The only way to pierce through that shield is FOIA (where available) and discovery in civil suits. These can be difficult because you often have to have some idea, somehow, of what to look for in the first place, and the people on the other side will be trying to dodge the inquiries. Google and the internet can be a great equalizer in this area: Knowledge is power.

    One example is Phil Mocek's case in Albuquerque. A Google search turns up a number of interesting questions and issues regarding the police officer involved in that case. I'm sure they helped Phil & his attorneys size up what they were dealing with in the criminal case, and that I suspect that info will help make the ensuing civil case more interesting.

    At MSP there is an officer whose name has turned up as a key player in several controversies. This will not be a good trend if a plaintiff's attorney eventually locks his sights on him in a civil suit.
     
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  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I couldn't agree more. Police ignore crimes committed by TSA perps. TSA perps do their level best to prevent their victims from recording the identities of their assailants. A search of the internet for names and faces of TSA frequent offenders might be a victim's best hope of identifying a perp. A civil suit is almost certainly a victim's best hope for justice.

    We're dealing with a serious break down in the rule of law. With police and judicial collusion, citizens have a really rough time defending themselves against the TSA. We have to work within the law, but we must work.
     
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  14. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    This.

    If the DHS *could* take action, you wouldn't have puffed up and announced it. You'd have just done it.
     
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  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    bart gets upset because his conscience is pricking him. Turning Jon in to dhs for this non event is pretty dam sad. If your neighbor crosses you, are you going to turn him into the secret police too?
     
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  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    you putting your hands in our crotch with no probable cause whenever you want to doesn't violate our rights? Making unjustifiable threats at a checkpoint doesn't violate our rights? Only in a tsa clerk's w@t dream.
     
  17. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Makes you queasy, doesn't it? When is the post 9-11 hysteria going to stop? When do we get to exercise our Constitutional rights again? When does their fantasy end and our freedom return?
     
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  18. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    Just to be clear, my "kiss my (expletive deleted)" post was dedicated solely to Bart, I don't blame you at all for wanting to avoid copyright issues, and I certainly don't doubt your disapproval of the TSA!

    --Jon
     
  19. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    If you see something, say something, eh?

    It's ok... I'm pretty sure DHS is already watching this forum, and I'm more than sure DHS already has all my contact info. ;)

    --Jon
     
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't that is in the SOP, maybe in the RPD.
    We'll know we're in trouble when we start seeing "marital aid" products available in smurf blue.
     

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