TSA Guard: “Get used to radiation”

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member



    http://www.benjf.com/?p=504

    I do wonder what the clerk was talking about. Was it a bluff to try to persuade more people to pass through a body scanner? Was the clerk flat-out wrong and an idiot as 99.9% of them are? Is it some kind of pilot program to eliminate opting out and force everyone through MMW or BKSX WBI? Or was the clerk just talking about the removal of WTMDs?
     
  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have little doubt that TSA has all along intended to use WBI for primary screening and will make it mandatory for any person capable.
     
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    More from the blog:

    This is a very intestesting blog posting! I suspect (esp. since it is recently dated, i.e. today) what was said & done was in relation to an ongoing investigation at Sea-Tac, of which I can't really discuss any details.

    You should always insist on receiving such disclosures in writing :) or take a photo :D.

    If they move to make the scanners mandatory, much of the court decision in the EPIC lawsuit will unravel -- it ruled that the Nude-O-Scopes were acceptable because there was an alternative. Never mind that it would unravel anyway when courts consider the instrusiveness of the search, but this will accelerate that process.
     
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I think it was their head of technology that said as much in his testimony to Chaffetz's House committee back in May (?).
     
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  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    politically, I believe that would *never* happen until all machines are ATR. Once the conversion to ATR is complete, watch out.
     
  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I didn't quote it very accurately, but yes, that is essentially what he said.

    However, magnotometers, or WTMD, were never mandatory, so I'd like to see them make the argument for these machines, especially since the most recent court ruling says that they absolutely change the screening experience for passengers.

    Of course, it seems TSA's primary MO is to steamroll into whatever they want regardless of what reality is. Oh, well...
     
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Yes. But I think a lot of this comes right from Pistole. Pistole has the personality type that would do whatever he could get away with. He is going to press the limits and beyond any limits right up to the day his *ss is shown the door. He is a predator.
     
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  8. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, absolutely.

    One thought I've been developing is that Pistole is, by training, an attorney. He is also a "bad guy" turned "good", and he is most certainly a predator.

    This combination is a perfect storm of a disaster happening right before our very eyes. What kind of person does this particular history create? Well look at him. As a former "bad guy" he assumes we all have that in us. Everyone's a bad guy with something to hide that just needs to be ferreted out. Since he's been redeemed, he goes to church! and prays every day!, he is better than the rest of us. He's the good guy shepherding us around. Now, I consider myself a very spiritual Christian. I am deeply committed to my love of God and Humanity. It frankly frightens me when I hear people say things like, "I'm at peace about what I am doing, that I'm in God's will and that I'm doing what he wants me to do." We should be very wary of people who think this highly of themselves.

    And on just a surface level, just look at his face. He is so very proud of himself. He is so very smug, and so very arrogant. He will do whatever he wants.

    And so, you take that personality, and you make it an attorney. Well, that's the end of it. Attorneys live to push the boundaries. They will push and push until a court smacks them back down. And that's who decided the employees of a government agency needed to stick their hands in our pants.

    This battle is not going to be easy.
     
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    So he's just like every other TSA employee?
     
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It was always meant to be mandatory, primary screening.
     
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  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    DHS/TSA may have always planned to use body scanners as primary screening, but if that was their plan, they only discussed it internally. Externally they were saying something different. I remember being at a conference (around 2008) where the TSA reps down played the scanners and stated that the machines were only going to be used for secondary screening. Their attitude was that it was no big deal and that people would probably prefer it to being wanded.

    It wasn't until later, maybe around mid-2009, that the TSA started using the scanners for primary screening. And of course at that point the TSA just started rolling out the machines with pretty much no notice. Signage was poor, almost no one knew they could opt out. And, the TSA didn't announce any rule change, nor did they have any kind of public comment period. And so EPIC's lawsuit was born. :)
     
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    When has what the TSA says and what the TSA does ever overlapped, starting with their core values? How many lies can you spot in their list?

    http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/mission.shtm

    To enhance mission performance and achieve our shared goals, we are committed to promoting a culture founded on these values:
    • Integrity:
      • We are a people of integrity who respect and care for others and protect the information we handle.
      • We are a people who conduct ourselves in an honest, trustworthy and ethical manner at all times.
      • We are a people who gain strength from the diversity in our cultures.
    • Innovation:
      • We are a people who embrace and stand ready for change.
      • We are a people who are courageous and willing to take on new challenges.
      • We are a people with an enterprising spirit, striving for innovations who accept the risk-taking that comes with it.
    • Team Spirit:
      • We are a people who are open, respectful and dedicated to making others better.
      • We are a people who have a passion for challenge, success and being on a winning team.
      • We are a people who will build teams around our strengths.
     
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  13. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Well, their written 'core values' have provided me with my 'laugh out loud' moment for the day since I've never seen any of them in evidence when I've gone through screening.
     
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  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    To enhance mission performance and achieve our shared goals, we are committed to promoting a culture founded on these values:
    • Integrity:
      • We are a pizzabox people of integrity who respect and care for the TSA and SSI, but not passengers whose testicles we handle.
      • We are a pizzabox people who conduct ourselves in an honest, trustworthy and ethical manner only if law enforcement is watching us every moment.
      • We are a pizzabox people who gain strength from robbing dignity from passengers.
    • Innovation:
      • We are a pizzabox people who embrace your breasts and buttocks and inner thighs.
      • We are a pizzabox people who are courageous and willing to take on old ladies in wheelchairs, six year olds, and toddlers, no matter how dangerous they may be.
      • We are a pizzabox people with an enterprising spirit, leaving no opportunity of theft to get past us, striving for innovative ways to separate you from your possessions and bodily dignity. We follow all procedures slavishly with no exception, no thought, no deviation, no common sense.
    • Team Spirit:
      • We are a pizzabox people who are not open (DYWTFT?), not respectful (I'm going up to your crotch and over your buttocks) and not dedicated to making others better (feeling you up makes YOU safer, really).
      • We are a pizzabox people who have a passion for watching females being felt up.
      • We are a pizzabox people who will build teams around these strengths. And build more and more teams. On trains, buses, malls, and turnpikes.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "...except where those procedures do not exist, so we'll just make something up that we think sounds 'good,' no matter how stupid it really is."
     
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