TSA Invasive Pat Down

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    I've been told more than a few times to calm down since 2001, and they certainly don't like being told that their attitude is arrogant and condescending to tell someone to calm down when they are the ones that are behaving improperly.
     
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  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Here's a question to ponder - what's the best way to shut down a TSO telling people to "calm down"?

    My guess, and this is only a guess as I have no interpersonal/social intuition, is to laugh at them. When they ask what's so funny, tell them that it's their telling people to calm down when THEY'RE (point at them when saying this) the ones violating people's constitutional rights.
     
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  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    OMG-- great video. We are being de-sensitized to being sexually assaulted at-will. In neither her case nor mine were procedures followed. Maybe someone just wanted to cop a feel??
    This is really insane.
    I filed a police report. Suggest she do the same, for those who contact her.
     
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    CelticWhisper, I agree that mockery is an excellent weapon -- in many cases, including that one. Gene Sharp (non-violence guru, wrote a pamphlet that's now become famous, the Egyptians relied on it in Tahrir Square) advocates using sarcasm, mockery, ridicule -- among dozens of other non-violent techniques.

    Actually, that might be a good thing to consult in general for this battle. The name of the publication is "From Dictatorship to Democracy: A Conceptual Framework for Liberation" and it's available for free as a PDF on his website. See especially Appendix One.
     
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  5. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Please do post it around, those of you with all sorts of social media accounts (i.e. not me).
    It may seem like a too-fine point, but they broke their own protocols (in her situation and mine too).

    They are lawless by their own rules, [let alone the boundaries we believe they've crossed]. This helps un-mask the MO (chaos) vs the pretext they are "lawfully" operating under (control).
     
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  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Also, seriously, these need to be reported/recorded as crimes.
    Legitimate law enforcement, who elsewhere treat these incidents as crimes, also find TSA actions appalling.
     
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This looks like it's going to be interesting reading -- any more of these in your back pocket?
     
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    krazykat, I must have missed reading about your tsa encounter. Could you point me to it?

    Thanks
     
  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

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  10. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I didn't describe everything. Besically I didn't opt-out (b/c there was no device there as yet, to my recollection) and I didn't set off the metal detector. But I got the Susie Castillo treatment. TSA is in doo-doo on those facts.
    I can elaborate in the "Story" section. A Rookie error...
     
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  11. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    BTW, did you get the assailants name? I've come to think that after demanding new gloves we should all insist that the groper provide credentials. This is a standard requirement for all public employees including LEOs so there would be no defense available on that one. I will not consent to any more gropings without having the assailants name first. Without ID they could be anybody just wearing a blue uniform.
     
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  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I was given no explanation for why I was being screened, should not have had "enhanced" screening...
    There were a lot of problems, procedurally, with what occurred. I later filed a police report.
    They said they erase the tapes after 30 days, so everyone should keep that in mind too.
     
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  13. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Often you can request the tapes directly from the airport since they, not TSA record activity throughout the airport. I have the FOIA contact for BWI and expect that other airports have similar links.

    http://www.marylandaviation.com/content/contactmaa/publicinformationact.html

    I wonder if any organizations have bothered to request checkpoint tapes at random? There would probably be dozens of incidents at any given checkpoint in the course of a shift.
     
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  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Sommer Gentry tried to get her assailant's name. They all just brushed her off. And she's not someone easy to brush off. But as we know, they have absolute power. If they refuse to cooperate, you're screwed. They can always pull out their beloved DYWTFT, or claim that you're causing a disturbance and threaten to have you arrested. They are criminals. They are thugs. What's going on in this country, with the complicity of at least half the population, is stunning.
     
  15. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I have 3 grown children - a son and two daughters. My son and one of my daughters don't travel much but think mom is a hero for trying to fight the TSA. They agree that what is going on in our airports is just plain wrong. My other daughter, who travels a lot for business and pleasure, thinks I'm a nutcase and while discussing the TSA yesterday on the phone actually said to me: "I don't care if they look up my vagina as long as I get on that plane". I was appalled at that statement. I swear I don't remember dropping her on her head as a baby but it is the only explanation I can come up with as she is an extremely successful business woman who is a college graduate. I've given her all the arguments about why the TSA is a joke and she just doesn't get it. She tells me "to get over it". Well, I'm not going to get over it - EVER. What she doesn't "get" is if we let the TSA abuse one of us we've given them permission to abuse all of us.
     
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  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Monica47, I've faced the same kinds of comments from friends and family that your daughter gave you. But talk is cheap. Sooner or later, one of them is going to get groped. Then they'll change their tune.
     
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  17. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    You are quite right. As much as I would never want her to have to experience a groping sometimes actions do speak louder than words and perhaps that experience would change her mind more than anything I could say.
     
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  18. LeapingFrogs

    LeapingFrogs Original Member

    Then she'll get to hear that line all us mom's love so much "You should listen to your mother, she always knows best" LOL.

    I'm proud of my daughter, and sad for her too. On Friday, she told the gaming softare company she works for that she won't be attending the international release of of their much anticipated game title in Seole Korea in January of 2012 unless the Scope and Grope stops. She's crushed. My heart hurts for her. She worked SO hard, and now she'll have to give up the parties, accolades, and the opportunity to meet the fan base for the game she's dedicated the last 2.5 years of her life to.

    This is another reason I'm fighting so hard. For my daughter, not really for me.
     
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  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wait a minute -- you mean she's already come around?? I thought she said she didn't care if they had to "look up her vagina" as long as she got to her flight on time??
     
  20. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    No, that's Leaping Frog's daughter who is willing to sacrifice for her principles. My daughter is the one who supposedly would suffer any indignity to get on a plane. My son and his family are planning a trip to Indonesia in the Fall and told me that if any TSA agent touches his two little boys I better have bail money ready.
     
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