TSA kills 520 people a year

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  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/the-hidden-costs-of-extra-airport-security/
     
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Another salient fact that some of us have repeated over and over and over and over and over and over again. But the sheeple don't care. They just stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la la la la la la!"
     
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    At this point that's 9/11 almost twice over.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The Cornell study was dated 2007. It should be updated with new data after scope & grope. I'll bet the numbers are quite a bit higher now.
     
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Ive been saying this for years and in every letter i have sent to congress critters, but not once have they even acknolwdeged this fact other then sam johnson when i met him in person last, and it was like a lightbulb exploded in his head. To bad hes not on any of the right committees
     
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  6. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    This article takes me past giggling to outright fricking laughter. Really? Y'all are THAT desperate? Be careful how you associate your arguments. Don't get me wrong; some of you do have very valid points that ought to be taken to heart. I don't dispute that TSA has room for improvement. But THIS argument? It puts you in the same crowd as the God-is-punishing-us-for-gay-sin nuts and other wackos.
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Again, denial.
     
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  8. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Good, Bart. Keep laughing. I'm glad you're amused, and to facilitate further amusement on your part we'll make sure to spread these details far and wide and reach as many eyes and ears as possible with them.
     
  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Doober your right Denial and Delusions.

    Bart its ironic, cold and callous you open your mouth and make some seriously insensitive comments that early in the morning as reading that I'm seeing red. As soon as I get done with all of my charts and debrief ill get back to this.
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The simple fact of the matter, Bart, is that government policies affect people's behavior, and the consequences of those behaviorial changes are not always desirable. TSA is both driving (bad pun) an increase in traffic fatilities as a results of increased driving as well as averting business from the airlines which is likely to start showing some dire financial impact on the airlines.
     
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  11. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Bart its ironic you open your mouth and make some seriously insensitive comments that early in the morning as I'm seeing red right now even hours later. My partner(6'8" 380#) whose not on this board is livid and is thinking of making a detour to SAT on his way home in Austin. We've just spent the last 9 hours cleaning up and doing debrief from a massive multi vechile/motorcyle/18 wheeler fataility wreck (0 Green, 1 Yellow, 3 Red, 6 black), where its ironic that this very subject comes into play.

    I would dare you to say those comments to child that lost both his parents in this accident thats in a coma from massive head injuries from being ejected and may not survive or the father who has lost his wife and two of four kids this morning who had to be cut out the car (so mangled I dont know if it was a sedan or SUV), and was flown from the scene in critical condition. This family were on there way to Lackland (from Tulsa) to see there eldest graduate from Basic Training and who is headed for the PJ pipleline next week. Before he went unresponsive (subsequently intubated) during the extrication he told me that the reason they drove instead of flying was because of TSA. This isnt the first MVC ive run that those comments have been made, so its not one off stats. This how ever was one of the worst scenes ive run on ever due to the sheer amount, width and depth of carnage, before you even factor the TSA topper.

    Mike I dont doubt those stats as the number of times I have heard from patients I have treated that have said the reason they were driving was because they were sick and tired of the malarkey at the the airport. Mike just based calls Ive run the increase in people driving instead of flying is up at least a third if not half and were only 3/4 through the year. Once we get a full year of scope and grope I can go back and pull stats from my records(as i keep track of various statistics for skills documentation and such) and see if QA can pull any trends.

    Mike and or coaches if you feel the need to edit it at least send me a PM with the trimmed part, as im biting my tongue from saying what I really want to say.
     
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You're doing fine, don't hurt your tongue. :)
     
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  13. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Time caused the anger to temper a bit but when i first read that comment I was ready to head south and break off a boot and my original comments would have hurt cupcakes feelings. Although my partner may not show the restraint I am, and he has no problems cracking skulls but his MOS makes him dangerous at greater range then just a fist.
    Terrorists Caught by TSA this week = 0, Number of Deaths attributed to TSAs scope and grope this week = 6, Number of innocent travelers harrased without cause nor warrent = Millions
     
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  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Well said, TravelnMedic, although I wish to God that you'd not have had to write this.
     
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  15. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Isnt that the truth, but it is what happened. When the tones went off and page came in I had a bad feeling and when i pulled up on scene it was confirmed.
     
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    520 fatalities annually means 520 events where EMT's such as TravelnMedic get to scrape the pieces & send them off to the morgue.

    For each of those 520 annual fatalities, there are likely several additional injury cases that must be dealt with.

    Does anyone know the ratio of fatalities :: injuries in vehicular accident cases?

    Factor upwards to compensate for the increased aversion to air travel due to scope & grope and you will begin to have an accurate picture of TSA's carnage.
     
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  17. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    "Like" seems a hardly appropriate word for my response to this. I'm horrified at the image of what this must have looked like and my heart goes out to you (not to mention the victims, both present and elsewhere, of this catastrophe) for having to help manage it. I can see how this would be the sort of thing that drives people to quit jobs like yours and I can only hope you're not hurt in any way by it. At the same time, though, maybe some good can come of it if the word gets out to the right people in government that "Hey, we made this agency to save lives and it's costing them instead."

    Still sick that it would have to come to that in order to effect change.
     
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  18. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Mike not that im complaining, as its good to get the recognition we rarely get. For the record I am a Paramedic, which is two certifcation levels higher (EMT-Basic is entry level followed by EMT-Intermiadiate then Paramedic) so Im trained on all the equipment and drugs to the rig.

    It wouldnt surprise me at all of those stats arent off by a few magnitude, and for every fatality there are probably many more injured or go unreported.
     
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  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Celtic Whisper - I do my best to block alot through a variety of coping mechnisms / professional distance, that one learns but when it comes down to it Im still human. I will admit Ive calls that have messed with my head especially when it comes to pediatric patients.

    I know to some that arent in EMS it may come off to some as distant / cold / callous but until you experince it first hand dont judge as even some of the best and brightest have walked away because of something they saw or couldnt deal with. When it comes down to it takes a very unique/special person to do the job as we see the best and worst of the human condition, and typically out day begins when yours is ending.

    Its been a long day (pulled a 36) and im finally heading home, ill catch you all later.
     
  20. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Try separating the emotionalism, son. Your silly attempt to blame TSA for car accidents is laughable if not downright ridiculous. Your so-called statistics simply don't hold water. I still laugh at your attempt to seriously make any correlations between TSA screening procedure and deaths on the highway.
     

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