TSA locks horns w/ Southwest pilot @ Manchester

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    TSA "supervisor" refused to identify himself ...

    Union Leader: Unfriendly Skies: Pilot, TSA confrontation at airport security checkpoint [Link dead, article already removed]

    Police are investigating a confrontation between a pilot and Transportation Safety Administration supervisor at a security checkpoint in Manchester-Boston Regional Airport on Friday. There were no charges filed Friday and investigators planned to look at video surveillance footage to determine whether any were warranted, Londonderry Police Lt. Tim Jones said. An officer on patrol at the airport responded after something angered Southwest Airlines pilot John Mcghie as he went through security screening around 10:30 a.m, Jones said.

    Mcghie complained he had difficulty in the past with security at the Manchester aiport and demanded to speak to a supervisor, who only upset Mcghie more, Jones said. “He felt that the supervisor was condescending and patronizing. He wanted the supervisor's name but he refused to give it,” Jones said. The argument escalated from there, but never got more physical than TSA official Bob Harbaugh touching Mcghie's arm, Jones said. “At that point Mr. Mcghie told him not to touch him. Mr. Harbaugh became defensive and threatened to call the police,” Jones said.

    Police arrived and took accounts from both men. Mcghie said he told Harbaugh not to touch him a second time and Harbaugh complied, but the pilot told police he still wanted to see Harbaugh face criminal charges. Mcghie also said he never raised his voice during the incident and told the officer that he had problems with the TSA at Manchester in the past.

    The TSA was aware of the confrontation by Friday afternoon and was leaving the final investigation up to Londonderry police. “A preliminary review of the situation indicates that the officer followed proper screening protocol,” said Ann Davis, TSA spokeswoman for the Northeast Region. “We'll await the Londonderry Police Department's findings as well.”

    Southwest spokeswoman Christi McNeill said the airline was also looking into Mcghie's actions but had no immediate response on Friday afternoon. A message left at a listing for a John Mcghie in Concord was not immediately returned.

    Jones said the argument did not heat up enough to draw the attention of any witnesses. Mcghie told police he was not loud during the confrontation. Although the airport is in Manchester, Londonderry police are under contract to oversee law enforcement at the airport.

    Jones said the security footage taken at the checkpoint area should clear up whether the confrontation amounted to an assault.
     
  2. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach


    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120811/NEWS03/708119939
     
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Of course, there won't be any video that shows the TSA dirtbag as "in the wrong." If it existed, it'll be "lost" or "too blurry," as is usual for any "official" video evidence suggesting the TSA FUBARed again.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The article resurfaced with a different URL today -- see link in Bill Fisher's milepost #2.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The Consumerist: Southwest Airlines Pilot’s Tiff With TSA Agent Escalates Until Cops Make Everyone Chill Out

    No, you aren't the only one who gets annoyed with the Transportation Security Administration (in fact, 81% of those who responded to our recent poll aren't fans) — even pilots get fed up from time to time, including one of Southwest Airlines' very own who was so peeved at a "condescending" agent at New Hampshire's Manchester-Boston Regional Airport, cops had to be called to cool the whole situation down. The pilot complained that he'd had difficulty in the past and was so upset last Friday by something during the security screening process, that he asked for a TSA supervisor. The supervisor proved to be just more fuel to the fire, reports the Union Leader.​
     
  6. TSA News Blog

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    A Southwest Airlines pilot had a run-in with the TSA in Manchester, New Hampshire the other day.
    Southwest pilot John Mcghie was going through the security checkpoint when he got into some kind of argument with the TSA staff. Mcghie said it wasn’t the first time he’s had problems with the blue-shirted crusaders:
    Mcghie complained he had difficulty in the past with security at the Manchester aiport and demanded to speak to a supervisor, who only upset Mcghie more, Jones said.​
    “He felt that the supervisor was condescending and patronizing. He wanted the supervisor’s name but he refused to give it,” Jones said.​
    The argument escalated from there, but never got more physical than TSA official Bob Harbaugh touching Mcghie’s arm, Jones said.​
    “At that point Mr. Mcghie told him not to touch him. Mr. Harbaugh became defensive and threatened to call the police,” Jones said.​
    Police arrived and took accounts from both men.​
    Keep in mind that TSA agents are required to wear name tags. And they’re required to give their names if a passenger asks. But why should pesky little things like rules and regulations stand in the way of a chance to bully someone?
    No charges were filed. Even though TSA-Harbaugh touched Pilot-Mcghie. Contrast this with what happens to a passenger who touches — or simply argues with — the TSA. He/she gets arrested, handcuffed, jailed; e.g., Yukari Miyamae, Andrea Abbott, Carol Jean Price, Nadine Kay Hays, Phyllis Dintenfass, John Brennan, Aaron Tobey.
    The TSA, of course, issued its boilerplate response: “A preliminary review of the situation indicates that the officer followed proper screening protocol.”
    Pilots (and, soon, flight attendants) are supposed to get special treatment by the TSA. Okay, I understand: a pilot has the biggest weapon of all, as 9/11 proved. So of course stripping and groping pilots in the name of “security” makes no sense (not that it makes sense for the rest of us either).
    But with every new, privileged class of people you create, you proclaim that it’s okay if those people get abused, as long as these people don’t. Pre-Check is another example of this (though, predictably, it’s not working). Back in the days of the Soviet Union, it used to be called being a party member. Party members had special privileges that the little people didn’t.
    I’d like to know how American citizens, of whatever political stripe, who claim they believe in civil liberties, can defend this system?
    Or is it, once again, simply a case of, “Just get me to my flight on time!”?
    (Photo: Flickr Creative Commons/Kevin Coles)
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Union-Leader: Police say no charges in TSA official-pilot dustup

    Prosecutors will not file charges in a dispute last week between a Southwest Airlines pilot and a Transportation Security Administration supervisor at Manchester-Boston Regional Airport. Investigators reviewed security video footage and the written statements taken at the scene on Friday morning and submitted the material to the Londonderry Police Department's prosecution division, which declined to pursue charges. ... Mcghie said he wanted to press charges, but after investigating and reviewing the video, police concluded that Harbaugh's touch did not amount to assault.
     
  8. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Thumbs up to this pilot who stoot up to the thug-Harbaugh! ^ At least he tried to get his pound of flesh. I am looking forward to more people putting their foot down against the maltreatment of airline passengers and crewmembers.
     
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Would a civil suit against the screener have a chance? If the DA won't take action go another direction.
     
  10. MaximumSisu

    MaximumSisu Requiescat in Pace

    Lazy, incompetent or politically motivated DA. Intentional unwanted touching is battery. (Now that my retirement is set for Sept. 30, battery will become dangerous. I've got the time.)
     
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  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Not sure I agree. Seems like dislike of TSA might be coloring judgements here a bit. Do we really want the criminal system to get involved with incidental light contact like this? Neither wrt touching a TSA clerk lightly nor the reverse is probably in the best interest of justice..
     
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  12. MaximumSisu

    MaximumSisu Requiescat in Pace

    There is a difference between incidental and intentional that has nothing to do with the degree of force applied. Incidental contact can be quite violent (running accidentally into someone). Intentionally laying your hand on someone, however lightly, as a show of authority where none exists, or of dominance, is a crime.
     

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