TSA Management

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by TSAemployee, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    My experiences have shown that it is not those guys you see with the blue shirts who are the problem. The problem is TSA management that set policies and hire sub standard managers as a result of EEOC, quotas, favoritism and the like. Most of management is not qualified to run the organization nor do they know what they are doing yet they are getting extraordinary salaries. Did you know that some managers only have a high school diploma and make over $85,000 per year? It get me sick to know that an individual can earn tens of thousands of dollars smoking cigarettes outside, watching football in the office, playing computer games, and kissing butt to keep their jobs or get promoted. TSA Management is an abomination. And does anyone ever get fired? Not really. They are promoted or moved to another agency when enough complaints are registered. The lower ranks get fired while managers get promotions and raises. Managers also do not follow rules and regulations but ensure that those under them do. It's pitiful.
     
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member


    If you want to trace this back far enough, the main problem is with the congress and president who authorized such sweeping powers to TSA back in 2001, congresses and presidents since who have stood behind increases of invasiveness towards passengers. the next layer of problems, if it is as you say, with bad TSA management (starting with the Administrator on down).

    However, the person touching passenger genitalia, breasts, butts in such a evil and obnoxious manner is not excused from this. Not to mention the sexual molestation they perform in the private hut because of ETD test results that the TSA clerks KNOW is a false positive. 100% of the time false positive. Granted, there are TSA clerks who don't abuse passengers this way. In my personal observations, I've seen TSA clerks do this pretty much like they always did with the old patdown, which actually WAS a patdown, don't get near genitalia, don't rub butts like the others do. It is too bad that they get tarred with the same brush, but I don't see any remedy for that, when you simply don't know which one of these types is going to be doing the feeling up at any time you're going through it. It is enough for me that several TSA clerks who post on here and other forums, some of whom claim to be trainers, insist that when done properly there will be genital contact, esp wrt women. That some TSA clerks have integrity and souls is a credit to them. Catching a break from public opinion though, is unrealistic, given who you work for and the real horror stories that have come out about how some TSA clerks conduct themselves. Strip seaching old ladies and whatnot.
     
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sorry to disagree but TSA employees from Pistole to the guy hired yesterday are the problem. Otherwise explain the continuing issue of TSA employees blocking people who are taking video. Explain what happened to Stacey Armato. Explain what happened to the three elderly ladies at JFK, and the list of issues could go on for days.

    TSA as a whole is the worst trained, poorest employee performer, and most useless bunch of crapola ever created.
     
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  4. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    They are just following what management tells them to do. Management is not even certified yet monitors their actions and disciplines them if not done according to how they think it should be done. Training? I don't think so because most training is done by computer and computer time is rarely permitted due to lack of staffing of lower ranks.
     
  5. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    Agreed. It is the worst trained, poorest employee performer, etc. What you aren't acknowledging is the fact that, if they do not follow these ridiculous directives given by management, they will be terminated. That is, unless they are a manager. Again, I agree with you but let's put the blame where it belongs: TSA Management. This would not happen if proper management was put in place with proper instruction and directives.
     
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  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Thank you for posting here. I believe what you say about TSA management. It is really unfortunate that thieves and perverts are also hired to work in contact with the public, so I hope you understand the hostility.

    I'm intrigued by what you said about training. Is the patdown training done by computer? By demonstration? Are the "rules" written down?
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Welcome, TSAemployee.

    I would ask you if, in fact, touching of genitals is required during what is called a pat down and I would also ask if it is TSA policy to have travelers pull down their pants and underwear when in the private hut?
     
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  8. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    To answer your question would be a violation of SSI (Sensitive Security Information) resulting in prosecution by TSA. Procedures labeled SSI cannot be discussed.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Even the comment card given to passengers is labled SSI. I have to believe everything associated with TSA is labeled SSI, that way travelers will never have a way to learn what they may be subjected to by the thieving sex perverts called TSA screeners.
     
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That defense went out the window down the trap door at Nuremburg. Every individual bears responsibility for his or her actions. You can't just blame the "managers".

    There are now at least two cases (Aaron Tobey & Phil Mocek) in the federal courts where screeners are being sued in their individual capacities for civil rights violations that occurred at TSA checkpoints. Given how TSA has maneuvered successfully in the Tobey case to have the agency & management removed from the case because the screeners violated SOP, it appears unlikely that the agency will indemnify them & pay the awards. They'll hang you out to dry any way they can.

    These cases are just the tip of the iceberg. I'd bet Stacy Armato is also suing the screeners as individuals as well as the agency. There will be many more lawsuits to follow.

    If you don't want to be taken to the cleaners in court, get a respectable job that doesn't involve molesting and abusing people.
     
  11. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    I am not familiar with these individuals and cannot comment on what you wrote. Just as with any business or governmental agency, there are individuals employed who should not be there. We had a President getting head in the White House, Governors in jail, Senators sending inappropriate emails and pics, and a host of other improprieties not listed here. I will not defend wrongdoing yet want to point out that it is everywhere. It is our responsibility to get them out when exposed.
     
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    from doober, the question:


    the answer:
    obviously, the answer is a yes. or at least a qualified yes. otherwise, we'd hear a no, as once we heard it from Pistole the *sshole. Once. I notice he's not repeated that particular lie much.

    You could anonymize yourself (look up how to do that) to make yourself untrackable, and answer honestly. The fact you don't care to do that, but continue to uphold a corrupt enterprise, sure indicates to me that you're here on official TSA business, hence the official line of crap.

    Terribly interesting that of 60K employees, not a d*mn one will leak the truth on this. You can bribe TSA clerks to let drugs on the plane, but not to reveal SSI. Passing strange, is it not. Indicates that TSA brass has it a higher priority on suppressing the truth than to protect aircraft.
     
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  13. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Hi TSAEmployee, and welcome to the forum, and thank you for your well written responses so far.

    While what you say is true, still standing strong is "Each bears the responsibility of their own action." Those people you mentioned are all at their fault and have to answer their deeds.
    Think back to the younger years, blurting out "Well Susie did it too!" never got anyone out of their punishment. (-And in most cases, 'Susie' would come after me for a whooping for narking on her. ;) Ahhh the things we learn as children really do follow through our life.)

    Take a look at the huge corporate crimes, yes the heads went to jail but so did the 'underlings,' the accountant who cooked the books still had some sort of penalty or punishment despite their defense of 'he made me do it"/"I need this job"/"it was my job to do and not ask question." In those cases, how many times did the heads take the heat for the people under them?
    'Everyone for themselves' or worse. Worse being the heads had money to get themselves great lawyers to lesson their sentences.
     
  14. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    Anonymize yourself? What planet are you from thinking that the government cannot find out about everything that goes on the Internet? There is no such thing as anonymity on the Internet and, as any computer literate can tell you, there is always a back door to find something out. We are far beyond George Orwell's book, "1984".
     
  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    there are ways to leak information. The TSA is not G-d. If there's a will....
     
  16. TSAemployee

    TSAemployee Original Member

    This will be my last reply to this topic.

    I tried to anonymously let the news media know what has been going on (I had proof of improprieties) but it was not sensational enough for any network. I wrote conservatives, such as, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck - - - no responses. Until you try to get someone to listen to something you have to say with no responses, do not judge.
     
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  17. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Which is what I thought your answer would be and, as stated by nachtnebel, I take it as a "yes."

    In most organizations, large or small, the attitude/demeanor/manner employees exhibit is driven from the top down. If the top, in this case, Pistole, shows complete disregard for both employees and the public they are supposed to serve, every layer below him will reflect his attitude.
     
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  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The great thing is, there will be a limit to Pistole, his boss, and the creep who enables them both, Obama. Ultimately, the current regime of groping and strip searching will come to an end, and Pistole will be despised as much as Lon Horiuchi is. He'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

    agreed. yet look at the highly controlled societies of the recent past, such as East Germany and the USSR. All of that control and power and coercion was not able to stem the flow of events nor stop the economic cataclysm that engulfed those governments. Our police state will likewise vanish overnight. Not only can the cost not be supported, human beings cease to function in they ways required to keep a society alive.
     
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's part of your problem -- those people are all entertainers, not reporters.
     
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  20. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Trace back to who those people are employed by, if its the same source you can probably figure out where the source's loyalty lie. Try a different group. If you have something you feel is important-keep trying.

    I know you said it's your last response, but you can still ready and digest, eh?
     

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