TSA Management

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by TSAemployee, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Getting head while President and in the White House is not illegal. I believe what TSA is doing, and that includes everyone drawing a TSA paycheck, is illegal. Strip Searching grannies, feeling up little kids, and using Electronic Strip Searches without probably cause violates the very foundations of our country.
     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    As the saying goes, a fish rots from the head.
     
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wow. Just wow. You cannot or will not tell us whether the touching of genitalia or the stripping off of clothes is standard operating procedure.

    I'll leave aside so many things I could say about that non-statement and just quote Sommer Gentry: as she has said a hundred times, people cannot consent if they don't know what they're consenting to. And since the TSA refuses to tell us what's involved in a search, they cannot claim we consent to it. They cannot claim we consent to it by buying an airline ticket, by getting in the checkpoint line, by going through security. We cannot consent. Consent does not legally exist.

    Is there a lawyer anywhere, lurking on these threads, who would care to address this??
     
  4. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I don't think they care if we consent.
     
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  5. Mybodyismyown

    Mybodyismyown Original Member

    I am very happy to hear that you did try to get some information out about the TSA. I'm wondering whether you were attempting to reveal improprieties that resulted in passengers being mistreated, or improprieties having to do with the behavior of TSA management toward screeners. Since the latter would probably not be surprising to many people, I'm not surprised it's not considered newsworthy. The former, though, would certainly be newsworthy and I encourage you to contact a sympathetic media figure like Christopher Elliott. I'm certain that he would be interested in writing about any aspect of TSA you care to discuss with him.

    I'm begging you, as a person, please reveal to the world what exactly should and should not be touched in a patdown. It is grossly unfair to the traveler to inflict a procedure on his or her body without telling him or her what to expect. We can't consent if we don't know what we are consenting to.
     
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  6. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    Just a quick note: there's a really low-tech way to be anonymous on the Internet: simply log on from an open WiFi hotsopt, or other public terminal. Then they can trace the IP all they want. Not suggesting anyone use this to break the law, but just saying it's silly to think that you can't be anonymous. :)

    --Jon
     
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  7. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    You can go so far as spoofing/changing your mac address, using proxies, etc., on top of using wifi hot spots. Not that I believe there is really any intent to do so, status quo appears to be sufficient.

    At least to some.
     
  8. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    Yes, you can combine the high-tech (spoofing/proxies) with the low-tech (jack someone else's Internet) for ultimate privacy win. :)

    Eventually, of course, DHS will decide that WiFi is a national security threat...

    --Jon
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, I know. They don't give a (expletive deleted). But they always say, always, "you're consenting to a search by buying an airline ticket" or "you're consenting to a search by getting in the security line."

    No, we are not. You can't consent to something you know not what it is.
     
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    They want to have their cake and to eat it too. On the one hand, they say you consent to whatever search they want to do to you at the checkpoint just by showing up, and also that, if you do happen to object and want out (they cite US vs Aukai...) that consent isn't even necessary.

    Yet, TSA KNOWS that people are p*ssed at them for the invasive searches, and do not at this moment want to to press that particular point, not since the John Tyner junk touch incident in san diego. Once they feel they can get away with it, this policy will change and once you even look at the checkpoint, you are pwned.
     
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The "just following orders" defense went out of vogue at Nuremberg.

    If you choose to "work" for the TSA, you deserve whatever hostility may be directed at you.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    They way I see it TSA employees are selling themselves out just like hookers do but hookers make way more money.
     
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  13. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Use proper, acceptable security, perform their jobs better, more efficient, etc. :D
     
  14. Mybodyismyown

    Mybodyismyown Original Member

    I walked away from a checkpoint untouched on November 17th, 2011 at Dulles after refusing the blue-box radiation machine and the sexual assault patdown. So far they are taking no for an answer.
     
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  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yes, and this is the least they can do. However this will change in the future I believe, unless public opinion continues to oppose.
     
  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Prostitutes sell a service that the customer wants. I see prostitution as an infinitely more honorable profession than TSA "employment."
     
  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    AND prostitutes don't pretend they're doing anything other than what they're doing. They don't try to don a cloak of virtue like so many corrupt people -- in all professions -- do. That's why, once again, I don't like using a certain inadequate metaphor in our otherwise vast, wonderful language: saying, "so and so is just a whore." Whores are at least honest about what they do. I don't like comparing an unscrupulous person to a whore; whores are more respectable.
     
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  18. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    And give proper value for that money. And provide a service someone actually wants.
     
  19. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    So drop a dime here; we'll get the word out. ;)
     
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  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    After the recent posts, he's probably wondering what we want--inside patdown info or sex...
     
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