TSA Mistreats FlyersRights Org Member

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member


    TSA Mistreats FlyersRights Member​

    In May, FlyersRights member Carol M had an unbelievable TSA experience at Ft. Meyers International. Here, in her own words, is her story:​

    Kate, on May 31, 2011, I, a 75-yr-old Caucasian female with gray hair, went through the security check at Ft. Myers International (RSW).

    Having a broken 5th metatarsal, I was wearing a pneumatic boot. I asked whether I should remove it, and was impatiently motioned forward by a sour-faced male TSA person. Of course, I failed the walkthrough. A female TSA person rubbed me around the middle, wiped my hands, and placed the wipe in a machine which indicated to her that I was dangerous.

    She: What is on your hands?

    I: Nivea hand lotion.

    I was escorted into a private room where a second TSA female joined us. She felt my body all over, including crotch. After asking whether a weapon was inside, the other woman searched every nook and cranny of my handbag.

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  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Thanks for posting, boggie dog.

    Full disclosure: I have an immediate bias against this group. The legislation they passed wreaked havoc in airline planning, schedules, and operations management that really stressed all of our systems, but we all managed to get through it.

    To be honest, it looks like they're becoming another of those groups that exist to raise funds, and this is just their next fundraising campaign.

    I will give Hanni credit that she was in front of this issue from the beginning. However, like most everyone else, she sort of let it drop. Until it happened to her. Which is good, in a way.

    Flyers Rights has a track record of passing legislation. Maybe with enough support they can be successful again. Frankly, I hope she gets molested again, because then she'll work even harder on this issue.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think we have to join forces in order to have a loud enough voice against TSA abuse. I too have some issues with this group but as long as we have some of the same views on the TSA issue I would rather have them as an ally than an enemy.
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Agreed. There seems to be so many fractured groups that if we all banded together we might actually accomplish something.

    Hanni, though, seems to want to run her own show. There was some early work between FR and We Won't Fly, that seems to have quietly gone away. I know from anectdotal reports that it's her way or the highway.

    Maybe we could reach out to Flyers Rights, and give them Fisher1949's and Lisa Simeone's excellent lists of abuse to bolster their cause?

    Regardless, this agency is an out of control hydra, and it is going to take a sustained effort on several fronts to get it under control.
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I was thinking the same thing about FTTUSA, especially since we're leaning toward a right-to-flight slogan and since Wendy and I got somewhat acquainted on Facebook in the Abbott/Miyamae/Boycott-Flying groups. Seems like a natural partnership.
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  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I disagree, and I believe your view is a minority view. Certain airlines had this mistaken notion that could abuse passengers by holding them hostages on the tarmac without recourse until the cows came home, or later. That's no longer the case. An airline ticket is a contract between the passenger and the airline for reasonably comfortable transportation within a reasonable time frame. The legislation was a much needed reminder that airlines need to treat passengers as people instead of cattle on the way to the slaughtering house.

    In one rather infamous example (Delta) police were called to deal with unruly passengers after a multi-hour delay at a NYC airport. The authorities opted to "deal" with the passengers by evacuating them. I recall another one where I was actually present that was (mercifully) relatively short. The captain taxied his MD-88 out on the tarmac at STL & then shutdown both engines & the APU (i.e. no airconditioning) and we sat in the 90+ degree heat with no ventilation waiting for clearance to proceed to ATL.

    The pilots & crew don't really give a hoot in this situations because once the wheels are unchocked at the gate, THEY ARE ON THE CLOCK & PAID. The havoc that is being wreaked in this situations is with the crews' undeserved paychecks -- poor babies. :(

    Some airlines were more responsible. For example NW policy required that pilots return to the gate after three hours. It should be noted however, that this policy came about after they lost a class-action lawsuit resulting from an eight-hour delay in a snowstorm at DTW. NW progressive response in the area are probably a moot point now after the merger with Delta.

    Her "group" has always been all about Kate.

    Every gropee helps, especially the loud ones.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I haven't been overly impressed with any group.

    FTTUSA seems the most promising yet also technically weak. When I first heard of them, I couldn't find them, instead found a similar site that has been dormant for eight years. It's hard to stumble into this mistake, but FTTUSA has managed to disable the "www" subdomain for their site -- you can't get to it by typing "www.fttusa.org". This is going to cost them a lot of lost user contacts.

    We have been crosslinked with them for several weeks & definitely should keep tabs on them.
  8. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, I completely agree with you. Keep in mind that my perspective is from the airline management/processes perspective. I openly admit my bias. I think part of our internal angst against the group was our dislike of Hanni as a person.

    As an airline manager, the processes we had to create, though necessary, were not easy to do. Admittedly, we should have done a lot more earlier on, long before Hanni got involved, we said as much privately to each other. Remember, corporate-level managers were on some of those planes and endured similar horror stories.

    The bottom line got in the way of improvement. It always gets in the way. That's why I think returning security to the airlines is a bad, bad idea.
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Several years back, just when Hanni was getting active, I was waiting to depart LAS. The flight to DFW just before mine boarded and was pushed back about 30 feet or so from the gate. Then the waiting began. My flight to DFW was about an hour later and the other plane was still there waiting. Our boarding time came and went and the other plane was still waiting, and keep in mind this is just a short distance from the gate. Then we boarded, and waited, and still the other plane sat. We took off about two hours late and I believe the other flight was just ahead of us.

    So what happened? Severe thunderstorms at DFW had just about closed the airport. This was known before the plane that waited just feet from the gate boarded yet AA boarded the flight anyway.

    Hanni and her group might have a different approach to things but it seems they did get something done and that is not something we can say about bringing change to TSA.

    TSA will be a harder nut to crack than the airlines and it took federal legislation to make the airlines change. It will take time, skill, money, more money, and access to legislators. We need all the help available if change is going to be brought to TSA.
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  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    My point exactly, boggie dog.

    Hanni has a track record to get things like this done. I doubt she'd be interested in our help, but it might be worthwhile to reach out.
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If TSA is not on their radar then no I don't think they would be of help. If TSA is an interest they will want lots of donations.

    I think a national group with skills to move about the Hill would be the quickest way to bring change to TSA. Barring that, keeping the public's eye on TSA and what they are doing is the next best option. Noise seems to be an effective means to cause TSA to respond so all we can do today is to get real loud.
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  12. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And that's exactly what Hanni and FlyersRights can provide.

    It's on their radar - their executive director was just assaulted, per your OP, and they have a track record of effecting federal legislation against the airlines. That's no small feat.

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