TSA now setting the standard with which other invasive measures are compared

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Jon Stewart: VA Ultrasound Bill Like A Vaginal TSA Pat-Down

  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Sickening on so many levels.
  3. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    WTF?!?! Legislators are now dictating medical procedures????? :vomit:Absolutely revolting! Where's my torch, pitchfork, tar, rail, and feathers?
  4. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I've had a transvaginal ultrasound twice for diagnostic purposes. In my opinion this procedure does in fact meet the new criteria of rape according to the FBI standards if done without a woman's permission.
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Of course we know what TSA would say. "You consented by seeking an abortion. You forfeit your rights when you buy an abortion tick...erm...make an appointment for an abortion. Now don't leave the doctor's office or we'll fine you 11 grand."
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  6. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    There are a lot of sick people in this country, unfortunately, many are politicians! I think Kathy Byron and Bob McDonnell should be required to have a transanal ultrasound and lobotomy before taking office. Since they already hold office, this should be done on a stand in front of the State Senate and open to the public. (expletive deleted) morons! :mad:
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If the probe is placed correctly, both of those can be done in exactly the same action - for those persons, anyway.
  8. I've skimmed a couple of articles and I can't find any talk of justification for why it would be beneficial or medically necessary for women to have a transvaginal ultrasound, rather than just a regular ultrasound. Is this is really just for deterrent or punishment? If so, how very much like the TSA.

    I had this procedure once, too. It was pretty awful, especially when the reason you need it usually has you feeling pretty emotional and fragile.
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Phoebe, it's political. 100% political (well, mixed with religion). I didn't want to discuss this at TUG again, since the last abortion discussion was so contentious. But there are tons of news articles out about this, so you can read what's going on.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And the next thing you know some eccentric woman will try to smuggle an Australian wombat in her underwear, which the agency's retards will render as "womb bomb" in the PR after they make their big catch of the day, and presto: "You consented to an intra-vaginal ultrasound when you bought an airplane ticket. Female assist & stirrups in lane 4!"
  11. Yeah, I totall agree on this one. As someone with intensely mixed feelings on the abortion issue, I don't believe it's always political, but in this case, it sure is.
  12. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    So disgusting. SO disgusting.

    It looks like the VA governor is starting to back down. I can't remember where I saw it but I read somewhere that there isn't a lot of benefit with this procedure if done in the first trimester.
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    From that account:

    "Recently learned??" What exactly did he think "transvaginal" meant??

    The stupid, it burns.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    By the way, from late last month:

    Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abortion Bill
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Comments there (almost 6,000) are hilarious. Just two:
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  16. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    According to the articles I've read so far, the politicians presented this solely scare the woman out of the abortion, (paraphrasing here because I don't remember the exact words) depictions on brochures don't get invoke any emotional ties.
    No mention of direct medical benefits.
    So it would appear it's punishment.
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I'm not a supporter of abortion but this is a disgusting abuse of power. Obviously this is punitive. The gov needs to get out of the doctors office.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not really, I've heard of this for years only without "transvaginal" being added to the context. Normal "ultrasound" isn't invasive. Most people who have read previous articles on the subject would probably just read "ultrasound" and gloss over the rest.

    In any case, the thread is about the way TSA has become society's benchmark f0r government-mandated abuse, esp. sexual.
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  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    this legislation is not designed to scare women out of an abortion. it's designed to price them out of an abortion.

    the governor now says he'll change to wording to require an abdominal ultrasound, which costs approximately $400 in addition to the cost of an abortion.

    social media defeated the vaginal ultrasound; maybe it will work with the abdominal one also.
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I don't have an issue with insisting on informed consent, but I don't see how the patient's own ultrasound is essential for that. If an ultrasound image helps to solicit informed consent, then any textbook image of a fetus at the same stage of pregancy should suffice.

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