Arrested TSA Employee TSA officers arrested on drug charges in Conn

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Agreed. But I still contend that no matter who is elected, these procedures will stay in place.

    It's very easy to let rights slip away, and very, very hard to claw them back. The CYA attitude in place all over this country, fueled by insane paranoia, will continue. And don't forget an important element -- people are making money off this. Big money. I can't say it often enough.

    Here, Glenn Greenwald spells it out explicitly -- these procedures, from scanners to gropes to unwarranted wiretapping to search & seizure without probable cause, etc. -- these procedures don't exist to "fight terrorism." They exist to create the need for "fighting terrorism." They exist to make money.
  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    You may very well be right but keeping your money on the current team almost guarantees status quo.
    Elizabeth Conley and barbell like this.
  3. THawk996

    THawk996 Original Member

    Here is an update on this story.

    Neighbors stunned TSA officer arrested for moving drugs

  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I don't think I've ever heard a "neighbor" or friend say any thing against one arrested for committing a crime. They are all "good guys" who would help anyone at any time. :rolleyes:
  5. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Of course he was proud of his badge!

    It helped him operate outside of the law.
    Lisa Simeone likes this.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or pretend that he was the law. :rolleyes:
  7. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    A real pillar of the community, except for that drug trafficking thing and molesting children at work.
  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I would have said "...molesting people including small children, the mentally handicapped, the physically handicapped, the elderly, and anyone else within arm's reach..."
    Fisher1949 likes this.
  9. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I don't want to comment on this particular case, as I take the position that I believe nothing TSA says, even if TSA is accusing one of their own officers, until it is established by an independent body, in this case, a court.

    I will say that over the years I have dealt on a professional basis with a number of embezzlers, bribe-taking employees and so forth. In all the cases that I recall, the employee was popular, often good with the customers, and considered a hard worker and highly proficient at their job. Perhaps someone else can explain this to me, but I think it is the fact that before there can be a betrayal, there must first also be a trust.
    Elizabeth Conley likes this.
  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And consider then, in the patriotic upsurge following 9/11 that we gave TSA completely our trust.

    Now look what they've done with it.
    KrazyKat and Fisher1949 like this.
  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Federal agencies are supposed to be reasonably trustworthy. In every case I can think of, their trustworthiness correlates to their cooperation with accountability systems. The TSA has demonstrated a noteworthy intransigence to all forms of accountability. From top to bottom, the TSA has demonstrated itself to be untrustworthy. They've got a long uphill climb to regain public trust, but I can't see the point to that. Simply putting the agency back in its intended role would solve the entire problem - instantly.

    "Transportation Security Administration" is a job that doesn't require public interface. If the Transportation Security Administration" did its job and left the checkpoints to the airports and airlines, the general public would almost never see them.

    The thugs they've employed would get bored with the monotony of administrative tasks and move on. The general public and the airports/airlines could reach a reasonable solution with respect to checkpoint procedures. Minimal tax dollars would be squandered. Violations of the U.S. Constitution would be minimized, if not eradicated.

    PS: TSA apologists tend to claim that those of us who loathe the TSA do not propose alternatives. That's nonsense. I'm in favor of REAL security, performed by people who actually have a stake in the outcome. Airports, Airlines, Passengers and Shippers have a real stake in security. We shouldn't be at the mercy of a bumbling, ineffective, inefficient federal bureaucracy for our safety or our solvency.
    barbell likes this.
  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    It's called "sociopathy."
    Elizabeth Conley likes this.
  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I've seen a few cases personally, and read of plenty more. Although the perps were superficially charming and glib, the victims didn't do their homework. 3 + ex-wives, "funny" stories about torturing siblings' pets to death, no "lifelong" friendships... There''s always a tell-tale sign; there are usually several.

    Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with sociopath's victims - to a point. How old does a person have to be before s/he "gets" it? Pu-lease! It's not like sociopaths are a new invention, or as if the victims never saw a high-school "queen bee" manipulate her sphere for a never-ending supply of trauma-drama while the school bullies beat up geeks in the locker room. Nobody makes it into adulthood without getting "sociopath lessons." If the lessons don't take for everyone, it's because some of the students chose not to study.

    PS: I am painfully aware that I'm not as smart as I'd like to be. Most people I know are far brighter and more talented than I. That being said: I can spot a sociopath within a week of being on the job. When I catch on and distance myself, the sharpest of my peers nod wisely, wink, and say: "Figured it out, did you?" I used to wonder why they never warned me, but I've figured that one out too. The only way adults can fail to spot a sociopath is if those adults will themselves not to see. Telling willfully blind people the obvious only annoys them.
    barbell likes this.
  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Once again you've hit the nail squarely on the head.

    It is amazing to me the black/white world the AFS crowd lives in. To them it's either the TSA does a strip search/groping or nothing. Where do people get this :trash:?

    Read the comments on Hebshi's blog, or any comments on stories such as hers for that matter. They pretty much run the gamut of, "You are brown and therefore not only should have expected what you got, but offered it up without even being asked as part of your patriotic duty. If they had not poked their fingers into your butt and vagina, then what else were they supposed to do? They were polite and courteous to you, following orders, and you should therefore be grateful. You also were on your phone the whole flight so get over yourself."

    What? To the thinking person this line of reasoning makes zero sense.

    So the argument becomes if a cavity search is not completely reasonable then we just let anybody and everybody on a plane anytime they please with whatever they want? What sort of thought process is that? To these people there is no middle ground. None.

    To them it's strip search or blow up in a plane. Of course, many of them a) don't fly, b) don't realize the detail the scanners reveal, and c) don't care as long as it happens to someone else, who is also preferably brown. Also, so long as The Rules are followed, everything is fine. I'd recommend to these people that they read the very prescient short story "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson. However, I'm often amazed that these people can even get on the Interwebs and write sentences, so I seriously doubt they could both read and comprehend the message there.

    And this is exactly what the Fourth Amendment is supposed to prevent. The plane landed safely at its intended destination after successfully completing its scheduled flight. It sat on the tarmac for a half hour. The boys and girls put on a good show with flashing lights, then stormed the plane as if it were under siege. Would a terrorist with a bomb not set off their bomb at some point prior to this?

    And so we've seen explicitly that these people cannot be trusted. They have no capacity for rational thought in decision making. This agency has far exceeded both the bounds of its charter, but also those of reality. I fear it has gone too far to be reigned in. It must be obliterated.
  15. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    It's frightening to realize that some of those 'anything for security' and 'brown is suspicious' posts are probably coming from paranoid TSOs and FAs.
    barbell likes this.
  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    There are plenty of others out there. The secret to all dictatorships is that people love to be told what to do. Again, I'm going to get boring about this, but this was well established by Milgram, Zimbardo, and others, and of course we know it from our own experiences.
    barbell likes this.
  17. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    But rockon is correct. FAs are an astoundingly unstable personality as a group of people.

    If you could hear the stories I hear, all of them second hand, it would make your ears bleed.
  18. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Have to be crazy to do that job in the first place. I had more than a bit of sympathy with Steven "Emergency Slide" Slater.
    barbell likes this.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

  20. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

Share This Page