Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by nachtnebel, Jul 9, 2012.
can't prove it, change it, or stop it.
And this gem.
hmm, sounds very familiar to what happened in STL on 30 may 2012.
That doesn't look like a domestic airport. Isn't that some sort of shoe-wanding station behind the two clerks? Also, they are not wearing TSA Intimidation Blue.
I was thinking the same, but I have not been able to confirm the location and do not recognize the location from the photo.
New Zealand Herald: Nicki Minaj may sue over airport grope
I am unable to confirm the airport, but rumors are Heathrow, and even a couple of the articles have listed Heathrow, yet in this article, it says she has not released the name of the airport, soooooo -
Rugape, do you still maintain that a TSA Pat Down does not call for contact with the breasts of women or the gentials of either sex?
I was honestly hoping for a response for Rugape. We all know the answer can't be SSI since he told us that contact with the genitals was not required yet reports of just that happening keep coming in almost every week.
I guess the follow up questions revolve around whether Rugape was being honest with the no contact answer and many TSA employees are not doing the procedure correctly, or was Rugape employed by TSA to pass out disinformation or was it something else entirely?
I hope we get an answer.
I think that the best way to get an answer is to make it clear that if we don't, we will automatically:
A. Assume that interpretation which reflects most poorly on TSA
B. Publicize that assumption, publicize it widely, and publicize it in such a fashion as to preemptively cast doubt on any of Blogdad Bob's spin-doctoring damage-control replies, thus maximizing the damage done to what little trust those last few AFSers have in TSA.
It is clear that sex organ contact is required for women at least. they have to get a good feel of the breast area and they go up higher in the crotch for women than men, making full labial contact. SATTSO and Bart both said the Abbot girl molestation in Tennesse was by the book, and that involved significant and forceful genital contact using the back of the clerks hands. TSA Dean from Huntsville intimated the same thing when he said he understands the female rubdown was more invasive than the men's.
I really don't know what you expect out of Rugape. We have too many videos that show this to believe anything Rugape says to the contrary. He has clammed up about this because his words on this were obviously and demonstrably untrue.
Honesty; nothing more, nothing less.
He works for the TSA. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I can't give you specific information about SSI. (Sorry for the late response, I missed the earlier post) I can say certain things are not according to SOP (such as squeezing genitalia or breasts, digital penetration, cupping the buttocks, etc) when I read firsthand accounts and other things of that nature, but I can not tell you what the SOP says. Sorry, but that is the best answer I can give you.
Ok, I'm confused.
It was ok to tell us that no genital contact is called for during a TSA pat down and that was not SSI but it's not ok to tell us if a TSA Pat Down requires genital contact and now that is SSI. And lets be clear, I didn't ask for any specific SSI information. I only asked that you to clarify your earlier statements about pat downs not calling for genital contact yet we continually here about just that happening.
You're dancing on the fine edge of a razor and we all know how that ends up.
he just told us that although he will touch our nuts he won't squeeze them. Female screeners won't digitally rape women but they will touch their labia. That is a valid inference. It is also a different song than he used to sing when he denied everything
Res ipsa loquitur. Expecting honesty and truth from a TSA employee is like expecting a chimpanzee to play Rachmaninoff. Occasionally they'll nail a few bars by accident, but never on purpose.
The pat down goes to resistance along the inner thigh, and the pat down on female upper body has not changed. Certain things that I read or hear about, I can say are not what is supposed to happen.
What is a resistance? Is that TSA dodge the issue mumbo jumbo words for bollocks, penis, and vulva
Please define "resistance" using medically-accepted anatomical terms.
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