TSA screenings aren't just for airports anymore

Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by Fisher1949, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach


    They will just force more & more people to drive & car pool to avoid the thugs -- waste fuel, congest the highways & die on the road. The cost is a (expletive deleted) of a lot greater than any benefit from harassment at the hands of TSA's bullies. Bad public policy driving undesirable economic behavior. My wife and I will NO LONGER SUBMIT to these thugs in any aspect of our lives. We've already had more than enough abuse at their hands.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I left a comment at that article.

    Interesting that they chose Charlotte as an example. That's one of the few places I occasionally travel for business, and to which I used to fly but now take train.

    I'd love to see one of these assholes try to tag me for a search. Can't wait. I'll be goddamned I submit to that.

    I love dogs, but you think your "security" dog is going to stick his nose in my crotch or anywhere on my person or bags for a search? Ha! Just try it. I'll go to jail first.
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, god. Here's a gem:
    It's cool? It's cool??
    And that, Marcus, is why you're going to get exactly what you deserve. Maybe you should take a few classes in civics and lay off the computers for a while.
  5. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    Chances are, that moron doesn't pay tax anyway.
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    the dog alerted, because it smelled another dog on the man? and they just let him go. nice.
    this reminds me of the Mythbusters episode where they tried different ways to sneak around a vicious trained guard dog. What worked best was the scent of another dog in heat...the guard doggie completely left his post and ignored the sneak who went in and grabbed the safe or whatever...
  7. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    NASCAR races? Why would a private enterprise allow themselves to be infested with TSA? :confused:
  8. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Because if you were NASCAR management and the TSA came to you and said it would pay for your security, that you would otherwise be paying out of ticket revenue, why would you turn down the offer?
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  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Just like the airlines, who now have the devil as their partner & chief security officer.
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  10. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    If private businesses want to alienate their customers, they are free to do so. I would just return the unused tickets with a letter explaining why I will be spending my entertainment money elsewhere. Putting up with TSA nonsense at the airport is bad enough; I don't need it anywhere else.
  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Having read a comment somewhere, to the effect of, "So why aren't you criticizing the TSA at NFL games?," I would suggest noting the fora for spreading a message of resistance to a freedom-loving crowd.
    The liberal (etc.) types, that are down on professional sports in general, lose the message about TSA, and don't reach audiences that enjoy those events.
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Unfortunately, you are in the minority. Teeny-tiny minority. Look at how quickly football fans folded.

    The sheeple will fall right into line, no matter where, no matter when.
  13. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    In fact, during the patdown brouhaha last year, you often heard comments such as the following: "I get patted down when I enter a stadium, so what's wrong with it also at the airport?"

    Circular logic, indeed.
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  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This is why I keep repeating the perennially unpopular, "People are getting what they deserve." If they aren't pushing back, if they aren't resisting, then they're complicit.
  15. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    But resist how? We can write all the newspaper and forum comments we want. We can write our representatives as much as we like. We can tell our friends as much we we like.

    But resist how? If you're trying to board the ferry or the train or the subway and three heavily armed cops and a "TSA Inspector" are blocking your path unless you submit to a bag search or a dog's nose on your pants, how do you resist?
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    There are several ways:

    1. Economic boycott. Stop flying. I have. (As I've said a hundred times, I know that not everyone can make this decision.)

    2. Opt-out of the scanner. Refuse to comply.

    3. Don't get groped quietly. Cry out in pain, make sure you have witnesses (have it done in public), don't go quietly.

    4. Be willing to walk away. She did.

    5. At other venues, meaning not the airport, refuse to be searched. You still have the right to do this.

    Yes, I know all these things are potentially "inconvenient." That's the nature of the beast. Protest isn't convenient. It wasn't convenient for civil rights activists to sit at lunch counters for hours not being served, to stop taking buses for over 400 days -- way more inconvenient for them to do that than for people like to me to stop flying -- to get firehosed and beaten and jailed.

    Protest takes many forms. There are many ways to resist. But bottom line, you have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is.
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  17. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    I was referring mainly to the TSA's presence outside airports. I already opt out of the scanners and have reduced my flying.

    I have written my representatives about the foolishness of TSA-funded mass transit checkpoints in systems that have thousands of entry points.

    >> 5. At other venues, meaning not the airport, refuse to be searched. You still have the right to do this.

    Yes, but at least at the subway checkpoints, if you refuse the search, you cannot enter the station, or face arrest for trespassing. (Read this article -- http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1382584) Yes, in the case of the subway, especially in NY and Boston, you can usually easily walk or take a bus to the next station, and enter without being harassed (which of course shows the foolishness of these checkpoints). But refusing the search and walking away is not so trivial if you're boarding an Amtrak train that only comes twice a day; or if you're boarding a ferry with no other option to get to the destination; or if you're boarding a cruise on your honeymoon.

    When the TSA is only at airports, it's easy to say "I will stop flying". What do you do when the TSA might just be at any means of transportation? Opt out of leaving your house?

    Are you willing to face arrest by just ignoring the TSA and associated cops and proceeding to board your subway, bus, ferry or train?
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, Saul, I am willing to face arrest.
  19. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    And I respect you for that decision.
  20. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    At every level, and vote Ron Paul 2012 (and in the primaries, as registrations require). And sue the bastards.
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