TSA Seeking Handheld Explosive Detectors to Reduce Gropedowns

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    To avoid pat-down inspections at airports, DHS wants better handheld detectors

    So now we're back to HHMDs. Or, well, HHETDs.

    And everything old is new again.

    Still, assuming these devices:
    -Do not emit radiation
    -Do not produce imagery of the human body beneath clothing
    -Can be used entirely independently of the NoS for opt-out travelers

    I think they may actually be the first worthwhile thing that Terrorists Searching Americans have done in...well, ever.
  2. Wow, I agree. If somebody actually comes up with one of these and it's not a false positive generator, I am for once mildly optimistic. The article says they want to use it for post-AIT patdowns, though I don't know that it would become the opt-out standard. But, hope is probably healthy.
  3. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I guess I'm seeing a benefit, but wouldn't see it as a success until all backscatter and millimeter wave machines are out.

    I wonder how effective the metal detectors + the hand held devices are?
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    so ATR is indeed causing problems! TSA you stupids f***s...
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And with every shiny new piece of technology that comes out, more and more of our money goes down the drain. It's a never-ending, self-perpetuating cycle.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Exactly -- if they can't get that technology at a cost-effective price in a table-top unit, there's no way they're going to miniaturize in any reasonable time frame.
  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    This is another instance where pressure from the public is working. Now, would I believe for one minute that if anyone is able to develop such a piece of equipment that it will work properly? Not on your life.
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The problem is the gropes exist. That Rubicon has been crossed. No matter what technology is developed from here on out, the precedent has been set that if you "alarm" something -- anything -- you will be subject to being groped. I don't see how that's going to be rolled back.
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Puffers didn't work or TSA screeners weres not competent enough to operate them and the Strip Search Machines apparently don't work either.

    TSA is a make work agency for the unemployable and also a make work agency for government contractors.

    A total waste of tax monies.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Puffers actually worked, but there were maintenance issues in the field. That was a technology that should have been pursued and perfected.

    The Nude-O-Scopes are just a disaster -- untested & with questionable radioactivity levels from one type; now that the Germans have finally subjected the other type to an honest test, it turns out to be a flop with an extremely high level of false alarms.
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Commentary: How Homeland Security 'has become pork barrel spending'
    By Bob Cuddy
    The San Luis Obispo Tribune
    Published: Friday, Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:27 am

  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Was it maintenance issues or TSA employee incompetence?
  13. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Honestly, as time goes on I'm thinking more and more that it's only going to stop with a rash of face-breakings righteously carried out against smurf-clerks by the men, women and (seriously badass if it ever happens) children they've wronged.

    One person fighting back might get dragged through the mud in the judicial process. 10 incidents of clerks being put in their place by angry pax would be another story and even if 7 out of those 10 got roasted in court, it would send a clear message to TSA that the people are mad as (expletive deleted) and not going to take it anymore. Even, again, if the higher-ups try to dismiss it, the frontline clerks are going to be very apprehensive about touching pax if there's an outbreak of clerk-beatings at checkpoints. Yukari Miyamae would seem like small potatoes by comparison.

    However it goes down, I'm glad I don't go to airports anymore.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Maintenance. We discussed this a few months ago. The puffer machines weren't equipped to handle all the everyday gunk that flies through airports.
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I always copy & paste into notepad, then copy & paste to the post. That eliminates all formatting.
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