TSA strip searches lady, handles feeding tube, and steals food at Dallas Love Field

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am not certain that much difference would have resulted, other than time spent in the checkpoint (and that would most likely have been negligible).

    I have already agreed with you that there are many things that should be public knowledge, anything you can reasonably determine simply by watching a checkpoint is kind of a moot subject to try and keep a secret. Any news crew or individual can set up and record much of what goes on in a checkpoint, so making that info public knowledge is not that big of a change from a personal perspective - however, I am not privvy to all the information used to determine policies on what remains SSI, and what does not, so there may be reasons for keeping things SSI that I do not know about.

    I think this has boiled down to a push in the public view in general - you have an accusation on one hand, an official response on the other disputing the original account of events, essentially a "he said, she said" issue. The same is true for the incident involving the accusations of taking candy and insulting the deaf man - initial story accusing, official response disputing. I am not asking you to question anything, that is a decision you have to make on your own.

    The witness is there for both the passenger and the TSA, I will give you that there is more of an upside for TSA to have their individual in the room as a witness, but the passenger has the option of having a witness there on their own behalf, which would be a boon to them, and TSA. It makes it easier to dispute false claims, and to make certain that the TSOs keep each other honest or to prevent them from making mistakes.
  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    The fact that TSA thinks this behavior is acceptable proves that they are all loons.

    I love how having an STSO present means that the woman was somehow protected and safe, wrapped in a warm blanket of fascism and abuse.

    I know from my own personal experience that the STSO is often the most sadistic, least trustworthy person at the entire checkpoint.

    I know from my own personal experience that TSA's MO is self preservation, as individual clerks, and as an agency, and that the only people who have the incentive, the most to gain, and the bully pulpit to lie here is the 2 employees of the TSA who conducted their own investigation of themselves.

    The passenger has the most to lose here by lying.

    First, she has to go public with a universally humiliating experience, and reveal a deeply personal medical condition.

    Second, like Stacey Armato and Yukari Miyamae, she must face her abusers on subsequent trips.

    By coming forward she puts herself at far greater risk of continued abuse in this fashion. She has the most to lose, and nothing to gain personally from coming forward.

    It is clear that TSA has lied.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Rugape, the medically needed food issue has dropped through the cracks on this incident. It was reported by the victim that her food was confiscated and tossed in the trash by TSA. It was later removed, taken out of the victims sight and claimed by TSA tested.

    Would you consume food that had been tossed in the trash then recovered, removed from your view, and then supposedly tested?

    Is that proper TSA policy?
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not an option for persons traveling alone. And even with a witness, no TSA (expletive deleted) will admit to wrongdoing.

    The TSA will simply say both people are lying, as usual.

    TSA employees are either corrupt and enjoy that balance, or stupid enough to believe the bullspit spewed forth by the spokesliars.
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  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Absolutely not, particularly if I suffered from a compromised immune system.

    I eat food served by street venders in remote 3rd world villages, and I am a card carrying member of the clean plate club, no matter how unfamiliar the dish a host serves me. That being said, I won't touch anything pawed at by fascist lunatics. My gag reflex goes into overdrive at the thought of such inherently hostile people coming into contact with my food. Such a person is capable of anything. I wouldn't risk consuming "food" they had handled.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA claims events were proper TSA procedure. Where is the evidence supporting TSA's claim?

    This lady was traveling alone. Having an outside party available at the checkpoint to monitor TSA behavior would be a public service but we all know that TSA is not in the public service business. If nothing else a call to the GSA for the airline would help keep things on the up and up.

    TSA has destroyed any and all goodwill it may have once had. You as an individual and TSA employee are in a no win situation unless TSA gets some real leadership who can take control of the agency.
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  7. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Nope, food (solids, there are some variances on LAG type of foods) are not prohibited, and should be cleared for travel. If there is a medical need for specific types of LAG based foods, then we ask you to communicate ahead of time (NOT a requirement, but it can help the passenger some on the actual travel day), but if not, there is still a process for clearing it available. Based on what I have read, the handling of the food was wrong and against policy.
  8. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Personally, I would not mind an outside observer, I would not even mind an airline employee, an FAA official or any other non-affiliated observer being present. It would protect me just as much as it would protect the passenger.

    The only problem would be the observer would not know all of the SOP and it could degenerate into a large amount of confusion during the start up, that being said, I would welcome such a program.
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The TSA blog reports that the screening of this lady was proper and complied with TSA policy.

    Another lie?

    I'm no lawyer but isn't an act of ommission indicative of dishonesty?
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The observer would understand common decency and respect which seems to be missing from TSA training.
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  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    We don't know that it's missing from the training. It's entirely possible that TSA training includes "common decency and respect," but we've got a lot of evidence that TSA employees are untrainable.

    For example, Rugape states above that the food handling was not according to SOP. This tells us that the employees in question are either stupid or evil, and incapable of understanding things like "common decency and respect," just like every other TSA employee currently "working."
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'll give benefit of doubt to an outside observer over TSA employees. Comment stands.
  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Common decency is something people in every community around the world rely upon in order to interact productively. It's the bedrock of civilization.

    When the assumption of common decency is assailed, it's as if grit has replaced the oil in the cogs of civilization. The TSA needs an extreme makeover, or it must be abolished.
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  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I know you aren't this clueless, but I'm going to spell it out anyway.

    Having a witness in the room who is a TSA employee is meaningless to the public at large, and is dangerous to the passenger involved.

    The second TSA employee in the private sex organ rubbing hut has personal, financial, and career interests at stake and has every incentive to lie.

    This nonsense of, "Oh, golly, the passenger can bring their own witness in! It's good for everyone!" is downright stupid.

    Let me tell you how this practice works in real life.

    First and foremost, the vast majority of travelers are traversing the checkpoint alone. They have no access to their own witness.

    Second, I've been my wife's witness during a public opt out pat down. Since I was clearly there for her protection, an LTSO took it upon herself to protect her clerk as a witness. She immediately turned it into an ordeal. From the get-go she was confrontational, rude, and downright ignorant.

    I know from personal experience that the second TSA employee is there to serve as protection to the first. They are there to assert dominance and further authority into the encounter. They are not there to benefit the passenger in any way.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Rugape must be mistaken since Bob Burns, TSA Blog Spokesman, stated that the screening was in accordance with TSA policy.
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  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Yep. Patently obvious.
  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They can't both be right. At the very least, one is wrong. Or just outright lying, which must be SOP for TSA employees.
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Abolishment is the only viable answer.

    TSA and its employees have been trained to view anyone entering a venue of mass transportation as a threat. That paradigm is faulty.

    The fact of the matter is that any person that could represent a threat is such a low probability that screening processes should be geared to focus on the low threat level rather than screening everyone as a threat.

    TSA employees treat travelers more like jailers do than screeners. Additional problems arise from TSA hiring the unemployable, former prison staff, i.e., Atlanta FSD, and former law enforcement, i.e., John Pistole, when nothing about TSA represents a law enforcement environment.

    No TSA as formed today does not fit the needs of the public and is not the right solution for the country.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not to mention the simple fact that any single TSA employee represents a greater statistical threat than any single passenger.
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  20. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Interesting that you state that based on what you have read, the food was handled improperly, but in other cases you invoke the "I have no personal knowledge" or "I wasn't there" excuses to not comment. Just sayin'.
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