TSA strip searches lady, handles feeding tube, and steals food at Dallas Love Field

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's complete (expletive deleted). From a legal/constitutional viewpoint that's correct -- that's what we should be able to do, and TSA's own published polices state that we can do that.

    However, the simple fact of the matter is that TSA's legions of ill-trained thugs (most of whom are so stupid they can barely tie their shoes) do not comply with the constitution, do not comply with the law, and do not comply with their own agency's published policy in this area.

    5+ years ago you might have gotten away with that argument, and in single, isolated cases that perhaps can still be true.

    What we have today is an overwhelming preponderance of the the evidence that TSA is a gang of thugs that rapes, molests, assaults and abuses passengers at the checkpoints, steals their property and tampers with the medical devices.

    Individual cases no longer matter much -- we know what we're dealing with.

    Again, complete and total (expletive deleted). The agency that is raping (read the FBI's current definition of rape: If local police submitted these assaults to FBI crime data, they would be reported as rapes), molesting and abusing passengers simply cannot act as their witnesses or advocates. That makes about much sense as recruiting volunteers from the sex-offender registry to work at a sexual abuse hotline.
     
  2. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    ...or hiring ex-priests defrocked for sexual abuse to grope people at the checkpoint. Or sniff their underwear out of view of the public, if the statement from the TSA that Thomas Harkins isn't actually allowed to touch passengers and is only digging through their baggage can be taken at face value - which, given everything else the TSA and its dirtbag employees have lied about I find to be less than believable.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    In other words, what you're doing violates standards of common decency to the point that having a witness not already controlled by TSA becomes problematic for TSA. You really don't want uncontrolled witnesses documenting and attesting to what goes down in those private assault rooms.
     
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I'd have to say that's probably accurate. There aren't any other reasons the TSA would forbid video of the assault.
     
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Promises, promises, empty meaningless promises.

    Time and time again it's been demonstrated that communicating anything to TSA "ahead of time" does zero good.

    Likewise medical information cards of any sort are ignored at the checkpoint.
     
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  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Over the past several years, how many times have we seen the TSA spokesliars say, "Photography is not forbidden at the checkpoint," only to get another Youtube video of the blue-shirted knuckle-draggers telling someone they have to turn off the camera?

    If the TSA is incapable of getting that simple message out to all of its idiots, why should we expect them to get it right when the message is even slightly more complicated?
     
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  7. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    The TSA has lost ALL credibility. They either make up rules at the moment you go through security or don't follow the rules that are already in place. Passengers have not only given up their 4th Amendment rights but also their 1st Amendment rights because if you should question ANYTHING regarding security you are threatened with not getting on your flight. What we have is an organization that has hired employees who simply cannot follow procedures and believe they have the power to make up their own at a moment's notice. If Mrs. Deaton has flown before with the same medical condition and has never had a problem with a TSA handling the tube or throwing her food out then why was there a problem this time? I'll tell you why. Because the TSA is not held accountable for anything they do and Mrs. Deaton had the misfortune of being screened by a TSA employee who thought they had the right to go beyond what the TSA protocol calls for knowing they would get away with it. The fact, as quoted in the article, when viewing the tube, the TSA agent said "ugh" which shows you the "professionalism" of the TSA. Too many medically fragile people enduring humiliating screening for me to ever believe this particular incident didn't happen exactly the way Mrs. Deaton described it. Shame on the TSA!
     
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  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    No TSA employee is capable of shame. That's why they work for the TSA, and not in a real job.
     
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I've been trying to get a handle on what or how I feel about TSA and its employees this afternoon. Nothing like mowing grass for a couple of hours in 100 degree heat to give oneself time to ponder. My remarks are not intended to offend but it is how I feel.

    TSA is a culture of dishonesty. TSA is a culture of cowards. And I will explain both statements.

    Every few days or so another incident involving TSA in some manner is reported. TSA through its spokespeople always tell us that TSA policies were complied with. We are told that complaints to TSA are few. Yet getting copies of those complaints from TSA is a multi-year process (if ever getting copies) even while TSA is in clear violation of the FOIA laws. TSA claims it has policies that regulate screening activities but we are not trusted to know even a bit about those policies and peoples screening experiences vary widely from screener to screener and airport to airport. There seems to be little or no accountability within TSA and TSA employees actively take advantage of that fact evidenced in the abuse to the traveling public, outright dishonesty of TSA employees in their dealing with the public, not to mention the cadre of criminals that TSA has hired, one example being a felon at Richmond. TSA has deployed machines that electronically strip a person of their clothes. TSA told us that these machines had no capability to capture images yet the contract specs called exactly for that capability. TSA told the public that these machines had been tested by outside parties yet one of those parties tell us they never tested a working machine. John S. Pistole, TSA Administrator, in testimony before Congress stated he would have additional testing of these machines conducted, then decided he didn't have to. I have to ask, are these examples of an agency displaying honesty and integrity? The answer is clearly no, TSA has not displayed or conducted itself with honesty or integrity.

    TSA has told us that pat downs go up the leg until resistance is met. Many people have asked what that means, myself included. Apparently TSA employees are told to never divulge what resistance really means yet it is clear to most that TSA has all intentions of feeling peoples genitals. I suggest that only a coward(s) would hide behind terminology such as "resistance". TSA, tell me what it is your TSA employees intends to do to me. If you want to feel my penis then be upfront about it. The public has every right to know exactly what screening is going to entail. Any argument that divulging this information weakens security fails unless the process is defective.

    TSA demonstrates its culture of cowardliness in other ways. One is signage demanding that TSA employees are treated with respect is one of the ways. Respect is an earned commodity, it cannot be demanded. Respect is also two way street, how about showing me, a traveling citizen, a modicum of respect. Address my complaints instead of ignoring them as was done by TSA at DFW and FLL. I could go on but I'm tired but not as tired as this near dead TSA horse.

    My suggestion to TSA is to first find a leader to head up the organization, TSA surely has none now. Develop with assistance from the public a Travelers Bill of Rights. Make available a clearly written document that details exactly what things TSA may do to us. Notice I didn't ask you to tell how you will do it but what it is you will do. Then trained the people who screen us. The claim that the current screeners are well trained is laughable. Once trained demand compliance. Any act of dishonesty, abuse of the public, or improper screening by a TSA employee is grounds for immediate dismissal.

    I'm sure I could come up with a few other issues to discuss but I think this is a good start and explains why I think TSA is a culture of dishonesty and cowards.
     
  10. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Word.
     
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can not control what all of the TSOs do, and agree with you that accountability should be enforced from the top down. The policy on filming has been in place for ages, and it should be enforced at all locations, I personally make certain that if there is any question where I am working, that the proper information/process is followed. Luckily, I have not had any problem here for a couple of years, and before that, all it took was about 10 seconds of explaining and then the problem disappeared.

    You have a small percentile of events compared to the amount of people flying, even to the point that it is probably less than 1% of the passengers having problems - that is not a defense of those that do wrong, simply a statistical estimation (based on what I can dig up in the news articles). There is no excuse for unprofessional treatment in any situation, period.

    I have already indicated that I would welcome independent observers, merely that there may be some conflict at startup involving the SOP.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    A question about TSA training. Are new employees trained at a central location or do new employees receive initial training locally?
     
  13. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Some initial training classes are done locally, some are done at designated locations. I am uncertain of the actual break downs on it, I can find no actual distribution/designation list.
     
  14. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The system has actually worked for the passengers and us here. I can't speak for all of the program, but it does work here fairly well.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Then why does the TSA's SOP call for unprofessional and demeaning treatment of passengers by the TSA's thugs?
     
  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    A small percentage of people are sexually molested and raped. But accusations can be brought forward against the scum responsible. Against you, we have no recourse and cannot bring charges. You are touching our sex organs on purpose, so don't give me the BS line that only people not following SOP do it. You all do it.
     
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So how does it work? A person calls a day or two before traveling, what happens then?
     
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think we have found the first problem at TSA. Well perhaps the second problem. The first problem is the lack of quality in new hires.

    A disorganized non-centralized training program for new hires is going to create problems of standardization. Based on personal observation and complaints from around the country this problem is being proved daily.
     
  19. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The times I have been involved in it, the person calls advises when they are coming through and any special needs or situations, and then I get in contact with them with they arrive at the airport and help them through. Mostly I have worked with the Wounded Warrior Project, those folks provide us direct contact with the passenger and we simply help them through. If they have questions, I answer them and help them get their items and themselves through screning and make certain they make it to their gate with as little difficulty as possible.
     
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear in my question. I trying to find out exactly how this works as this may effect my family when we next fly. Who are we suppose to contact and how do we hook up at the airport. Keep in mind I will travel out of DFW which is probably a bit larger than your airport. Are the people who help TSA employees are volunteers?

    I'm not trying to nail you to a wall but more interested in understanding this program.
     

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