TSA-style checks at movie theaters?

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Caradoc, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    In the wake of the mass shooting at "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, CO, I fully expect people to start demanding pat-downs and body searches to get into the movies.

    Completely ignoring (of course) the fact that the shooter kicked in an emergency exit before tossing his grenade and opening fire...

    It'd just be typical - put on the show of concern and sympathy while ignoring the holes in the theatrical presentation.
  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    They'd have to be braindead.

    Between the failure of SOPA, PIPA and ACTA and the surge in private VPN subscriptions (yours truly among said subscribers) in response to the announcement of six-strikes, anything that makes the theater experience any worse than it already is will be yet another blow to Hollywood's bottom line that they can ill afford.

    I haven't been to a movie theater in a year. I haven't been to a movie theater for a movie that I myself had an active interest in seeing since...probably since "The Fountain" came out in late '06. I put together a home theater piece-by-piece for somewhere between $1000 and $1500 over the past 5 years and I have no desire to even bother with movie theaters unless there's something that just can't be replicated at home. I was interested in seeing Prometheus but my local theater (the lovely historic Pickwick) wasn't showing it. Introduce the kind of (expletive deleted) that we see at airports and you guarantee I'm never setting foot in a movie theater again.

    Point is, I'm not the only one who feels this way. Between loudmouth teens, screaming kids, people making phone calls or sending E-mail from smartphones, sticky floors, overpriced food and drinks, and sound "engineers" whose idea of balanced, immersive sound is "IT GOES TO ELEVEN, BITCHES!", seeing movies at the theater is already an unappealing thought and a lot of people are saying the same. With jumbotron HDTVs coming down in price and every tech site on the internet offering an HTPC how-to guide with everything from building from parts to hacking AppleTVs, theatergoer figures aren't in any position to skyrocket. Throwing in another obstacle to the seamless, effortless, undisturbed movie experience that people want can only hurt.

    If they do this, I'm quite content to fly the jolly roger and catch movies on my own terms. Avast, me hearties, these waters be a torrent of bits.
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I completely agree. The "theatre experience" for movies just sucks since not just the kids talk during the show - the adults do it, people are texting, people are using their cellphones to talk, et cetera.

    This is why a visit to the Alamo Drafthouse is on my list for "if I ever actually set foot in a theater again..."

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  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  5. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    You've got to take Natural News with a grain of salt, but I can't say that I disagree with much of what he writes here:

    Batman shooting a False Flag

    The reader comments explain that it actually isn't all that unusual for someone to be able to get the military-grade equipment Holmes had.

    Nonetheless, it looks to me like all of the hallmarks of one of the FBI's famous "terrorists". Only this one didn't get stopped. Maybe, then he acted alone. Though, I seriously doubt someone acting alone could do this much, and assemble this much equipment without notice, particularly in a post-9/11 world, particularly in Colorado where downtown Denver is used for tactical training missions, particularly in Aurora where anyone and ever sundry person in an area is rounded up, detained, and handcuffed at gunpoint to ferret out a bank robbery subject. Something is fishy here.

    Perhaps it was reported incorrectly. Perhaps I heard it wrong, but the first reports I heard was that there was a stash of guns in the theater in addition to those he carried on his person. I do not for one minute believe this guy acted alone.

    The author's theory is that there is a small arms treaty debate scheduled at the UN in the coming week, and according to him (I haven't followed this issue), the treaty would override American sovereignty and 2nd Amendment-protected gun ownership would be obsolete. Now, maybe, maybe not, but we have seen a steady, swift, and deliberate erosion of protections in Amendment the 1st, Amendment the 4th, and Amendment the 5th. Take away Amendment the 2nd, and the government can maim, bully, and kill. Heck, they already can with the military grade weapons finding their way into our local PDs already.
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  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

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  7. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    The "twitter" on Twitter shows people concerned about having TSA type screening at theaters now after this recent event in Colorado. Will that happen? I don't know but I do believe people will still go to the movies and put up with TSA type screening. My husband seems to think people wouldn't tolerate that but why wouldn't they - plenty of people put up with the screening at airports which has become SOP these days in order to fly. I don't think it is a stretch to believe they will tolerate the same intrusion at other venues. All you have to do is put the fear of God into some people and they will go along with almost anything. I hope I'm wrong.
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The knee jerk reaction to "get security involved" is frustrating beyond measure. This insane creep came into the theatre through an OUTSIDE DOOR. And so, of course, the response to this to install metal detectors controlling the INSIDE doors or entrance.

    The call to outlaw guns is interesting. You have a brilliant graduate student here. If one weapon was unavailable, he would easily find others. His fellow budding PHD candidate Ted Kacynski (unabomber) caused all his death and destruction using bombs mainly made out of wood.
  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    The idiocy of people to believe that criminals will just follow the rules is insane. Seriously, do people not think this stuff through?

    Like nachtnebel points out, they can put all the security at the front door they like. This dude came in through the exit. Which is precisely why TSA screening is completely ineffective. There is so much access to aircraft that is unhindered, unwatched, and flat out ignored, it isn't even funny. It is criminally easy for a determined person hellbent on destruction to access an aircraft. This genital pawing and electronic strip searching is nonsense. Just as screening at movie theaters is.

    Anyone with knowledge of actual security knows that the greatest threat is the inside threat. And yet, TSA is doing everything it can to exempt the inside people.

    Oh, well...
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  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Just off the top of my head, I can think of half-a-dozen ways the Batman shooter could have easily tripled the body count without the use of any firearms at all.

    For as much planning as he supposedly put into it, I can also think of half-a-dozen ways he could have easily increased the body count to 50% or more of the theater's occupants at the time.
  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Boobus Americanus at it's finest. Never mind that most movie theaters are "No Gun" zones to begin with, even to CCW holders, and that makes them more like "Guaranteed Target" zones.

    No. Thank our public schools, which stopped teaching our children to think back in the 1950's.

    A friend of mine has chimed in on this with Gun Free Fantasy Zones.
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  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Barbell - actually purchasing that volume of weapons and ammo wouldnt raise any flags at all. Not a pay period goes by in the past 3 years that I haven't either filled out a FFL trasnfer or a firearm purchase form (cant remember what its called).

    Actually becausee of the upcoming election sales have gone into overdrive so sales staff arent suprised anymore. Personally 6K rounds of ammo in a single buy wouldn't raise an eyelash either. People who reload tend to buy components in 10K incriments to spread the hazmat fee around for powder and primers.

    BTW TSA style screenings at any building or facility = no $$$ to that business, and I will make it well known of my displeasure they are costing themselves money and buying plenty of bad PR.
  13. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    I've been wondering about this for the past couple of days (we live 13 miles from the theater...)

    Any idea if there are specific laws that ban it, or would it be up to the individual theaters? It would be interesting to see if say a 9mm (which I carry CCW) would have penetrated the armor that he was wearing, or at least made him back off faster than he did. Wondering if the gas mask was kevlar ;)
  14. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    JHP or FMJ ? I prefer Hornday Critical Duty FTX 115gr or a 147gr XTP

    Have they said what class/ level body armor he was wearing? With 9mm alot of variables projectile weight, speed (std vs +P load), level/class of armor, distance so forth

    Im so sick of the anti-gun harping on "assault weapon" BS because he had a AR. Hate to break it to you anti - gun tuck fards this guy was (expletive deleted) bent on destruction, so if it wasnt one class of weapon it would have been another. As much as I avoid getting into it with anti-gun nuts... it never fails I get sucked in.
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  15. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    On a seperate note, the frenzy goes to a whole new level.

    When I went to buy ammo for a upcoming steel challenge, in our quarterly non company sanctioned "Blow off some steam event". The store that normally is well stocked on parts for various weapons, not a single AR part in the shop. According to the owner friday they recieved a shipment of 500 stripped AR lowers, 250 completed AR lower recievers, and by noon today they were all gone, including the Blemished lowers that normally just collect dust.

    Also they had no rifle ammo in stock except for an 1,000rd box of Lake City 62gr SS109/M855 and they wanted $750 for it ( not a chance I would ever pay that considering the last I bought was 375 per 1000). Handgun ammo was looking a bit thin in popular calibers, but decent selection in others (10mm, 9mm markov and the like). I ended up buy projectiles, powder and primers to do reloads as they had nothing of any of my typical brands or weights/velocity.
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  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    No way are theaters going to risk offending their patrons with TSA style asshattery. We simply won't go. I don't see most movies in the theater as it is. Give me one more excuse and I'll never go again.
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  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I haven't seen anything about the class of body armor he was wearing, but even if it was full-blown Type II, an untrained shooter is going to have a really hard time maintaining composure when someone starts hammering back...

    Moreso if the person returning fire is aiming just above or just below the center of mass (collarbones or pelvic girdle.)

    Like I said above - for as much time as this guy had to have planned this, the body count could have been a LOT higher.
  18. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I will second that, and that goes for any business.

    True on all 3 accounts.

    I would say even a trained shooter might have problems as it might throw them long enough for the shooter to zero in on them and down they go. Only training group I know that teaches going for head/pelvic after a double tap center mass is Craft International (co-founded by Chris Kyle - Ret Navy SEAL sniper and author of "American Sniper"), and they use the N Hollywood Bank robbery as a teaching tool/failure analysis.

    APD is saying they found a empty 100rd drum in the theater (and a unknown number of other magazines potentially), so the body/injury count this low is amazing. I hope they needle and pickle this jackass full of sodium pentabarbethol, pancuronium, and potassium. A bullet would be nice but not a option under CO law.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Some of us have been lucky to have really, really experienced instructors/mentors.
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  20. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    In some respects, I'm in favor of TSA type screenings in other locations only because it would impact far more people than does airport screening.

    I'd love to see a movie theater buy a TSA-discarded backscatter machine and try to install it. They would be subject to testing, etc. as required by the states. Maybe then we'd find out how unsafe these machines really are. I know, pie-in-the-sky wishing.

    BTW, if a private entity did install such screening, either backscatter or MMW, that entity would not be subject to the 4th would it?

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