TSA-style gropes at Coachella Music Festival

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  1. TSA News Blog

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    As some of us have been saying for years, and taking no end of sh*t for it from know-nothing observers, it was only a matter of time before the tactics of the TSA moved from the airport to other venues. And now that day is here.​
    From two sources, evidence that the genital-groping that is going on at the airport also went on at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival. First, from Reuters:​
    The venue is surrounded by a veritable ziggurat of metal fencing and checkpoints. The full-body pat-downs begin about half a mile from the festivities. Girls to the left, where a female guard runs her hands up, down, even around the underside of their breasts. Men queue to the right, where they must empty their pockets, and turn their back to the guard and submit. Pockets, even wallets, are randomly searched.
    Next, from the colleague of this founding member (who goes by “nachtnebel”) of the travel chat forum Travel Underground:​
    the disgusting butt, groin, and breast massages have not only damaged and violated us at our own airports, this disgusting behavior has spread out into the broader society and infected it. A colleague of mine was down at the Coachella music festival last week, and they had security people feeling up into your groin and massaging your butt just like the blue gloved *ssholes do at the airport.
    TSA has made a significant contribution toward turning this country into a hellhole.​
    But hey, as I always say, what’s a little sexual assault and unwarranted search and seizure among friends?​
    Everyone who has been blindly, dumbly, sheepishly complicit, if not outright supportive, of the TSA’s abusive procedures has brought this on themselves. It’s always nice when people get what they ask for, don’t you think? Kinda like a birthday present.​
    (Photo: Rie H/Flickr Creative Commons)
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    nice article! :) According to my buddy, there was a fair amount of toplessness at Coachella. I wonder how that was frisked.
    Also, for all that checking for mari J, one rapper evidently lit up a foot long spliff.
  3. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Starting to smack of a parody of the "Roman Red" skit in Mel Brooks movie "History of the World Part 1" .

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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If they did it smurf-style, just remember that smurves are dump enough to rub a bald head.
  5. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    What exactly were they looking for?

    Were the attendants of the outdoor music festival able to bring in their own water bottle if it was 3 oz or less?
    Was photography prohibited?
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    More fun at Coachella
    oh my eyes, my eyes

    looks like some TSA matrons taking an R&R break from groping people.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    just when you thought the next generation wasn't lost after all ...
  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I would not attend an event at a venue where I was mauled upon entry. I would balk and demand a refund. That's just nasty.

    I hate crowds and noise anyway, but I definitely draw the line long before anyone's rooting around in my undies.
  9. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    If you look under "general info," they do state that everyone is subject to being searched before entry:


    There is no detail about the scope of the search, but you do know this before you buy your ticket. Since this is a private event, one has the choice of factoring in a search into the trade space. Searches are why I won't go to an NFL game. (The enormous cost is another factor!)

    Now, this would be an entirely different story if Nappy had declared this a "National Security Special Event" and used her goons to do the groping.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have said all along that private business, not government, can stipulate whatever level of security they wish. That would be one way for airlines to use pat downs, Electronic Strip Searches, or whatever for travelers and no one would be able to object as long as the process was made known. When government gets involved I think it is a whole different issue.
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Even for private events there are limits. Sexual imposition is sexual imposition.
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  12. That's the thing -- if I buy a ticket to a rock concert agreeing to a "search", I don't understand it to include hands in my pants, removal of my clothes, visual or manual inspection of bodily orifices. I don't think any reasonable person would understand it to include such things, and I'd consider that to be a breach of contract. The searches you describe here aren't that far, but they're stepping over a line of expectation. TSA's enhanced patdowns are still to date arguably unlawful under administrative procedure and have until recently been being carried out in contempt of court. Not to mention the fact I've read many law enforcement officers and real security professionals describe the patdowns as flawed and ineffectual. It is not acceptable for these sexualized patdowns to become the new normal, even in a private venue.
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  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I agree and wasn't trying suggesting otherwise. When government does a search the 4th amendment is suppose to apply. When a private business does it no such limitation is in play. Existing law would control how extensive the search could be, touching genitals would still be sexual assault, and the victim would have recourse unlike the way it is now with TSA and anything goes TSA Administrative Grope Downs. I think there out to be a legal definition of exactly what a TSA Search can consist of and how invasive the Grope Down can be. As it is now the public has no protections from the TSA Goons and that is why the same stories of TSA sexual assaults keep popping up month after month.

    TSA has taken a small carve out for Administrative Searches and bastardized it so it is no longer recognizable.
  14. The other thing is that the TSA gropes were invented to be punitive and abusive enough to force people into the scanners. There have been enough admissions of this that I believe it to be true. But also by design, the TSA gropes are optional (if you're able bodied and have no medical devices, etc.). So you show up to a concert and with no warning you're subjected to something TSA doesn't even really want to do to you, and there is no opt out? That's not cool at all.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Pictures needed to validate story.:rolleyes:
  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Ask, and ye shall receive: 2 Chainz was the performer. My source had no pictures himself, but found this one.

    although it does dawn on me that the splif pic wasn't what you were after :) sorry, but I'm at work now.
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  17. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    The TSA gropes are also getting the citizenry used to the new "normal."
  18. The Coachella festival was much worse on civil liberties than we thought, h/t Papers, Please blog --

    Residents near music festival “required” to wear RFID armbands

    New Order was playing at this thing. Jello Biafra! Moby, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dropkick Murphys, Violent Femmes. Wu-Tang Clan! If all these alleged rebels and non-conformists who got famous challenging the man and the status quo are willing to put both their fans and innocent local residents through this :trash: , I'm utterly disenchanted. Rock and roll is dead.
  19. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    wow. no way that is legal. showing a driver license is enough to prove you live there, if there's any question. Some streets in the bay area are off limits to commuter traffic unless you live there. not sure how legal that is either.
  20. It occurs to me that, like the Boston lock down, Coachella was a police state beta test.

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