TSA tells disable Marine to remove prosthetic legs

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by jtodd, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    No more passive voice.

    SOP "was followed" BY WHOM? Who followed SOP?
  2. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    Why did this Marine have to go through a scanner in the first place? Obviously he would be carrying his military ID and obviously he is a medically fragile person. Are the "terrorists" now disguising themselves as wounded military carrying government issued identification? I've thought about why this Marine has not made a big fuss over all this. He has enough to deal with without spending his time dealing with the jackasses who work or run the TSA. After what he's been through I doubt if the TSA is a high priority for him - obviously HE is not a high priority with the TSA.
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  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Given the history at PHX (and the fact that I used to fly regularly to and from PHX) I trust any statement by a PHX TSA clerk just about as far as I can shot-put a cheesecake underwater.

    The TSA as an agency is not trustworthy.

    No employee of the TSA is trustworthy.

    Nobody goes from a military term to "working" for the TSA unless they're damaged goods, lacking any concept of "trust" or "honor" or "ethics."
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Probably have not heard from the Marine because he is a Marine, a person of honor.
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I see Rugape's been scraping the stable floors for source material again.
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I would imagine that it will be a long time before he travels by air again.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I doubt it. How much more difficult can life be after having your legs amputated? He has suffered greatly and I suspect in his mind TSA is nothing more than a knat to be smashed like the pest it is.
  8. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    By and large, the SOP IS the problem! In this particular case, it is disgusting SOP and s4itty TSA employees.
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Perhaps not so much the "SOP," but that there is a claim by TSA employees that this mystical "SOP" exists that defines their behavior - but appears to be mutable, to support whatever behaviors they choose to exhibit at the checkpoint.

    No matter what new obscenity is foisted on the American traveling public, the TSA thugs claim it is "according to SOP." But we're not allowed to know what the "SOP" really says...
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach


    If PHX "owns" the video, it's a public record, which which case any release and publication is protected by the 1st amendment.
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Was PHX where Mocek had his run in with TSA liars?
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Im thinking that was ABQ
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Just checked and it was ABQ. So that is two airports where TSA doesn't follow SOP.
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Maybe not following SOP *is* the SOP.

    It'd explain a lot - like why the TSA is afraid of anyone outside their evil organization reading it.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Yes, SOP is what TSA claims it is and no one is able to argue with certainty that the TSA employee is lying. If the first thought is TSA Lies then a person is starting off on a strong foot.

    If there was ever a time for a Bill of Security Rights for Air Travelers then now is the time.
  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The TSA will claim it is "SSI" and that we're not allowed to know what our rights are. As will their "employees."
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    No, TSA will claim we have no rights at a TSA "Gestapo" Checkpoint!
  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    According to what I have read, he chose to try and go through the AIT because it would have resulted in less screening overall for him (meaning if he did the AIT, the only other screening would be clear anomalies, then clear the prosthetics). If he had chosen to not try, he would have to undergo a standard patdown. What exactly, does a terrorist or person that would cause damage to a planeload of people look like? The process calls for screening before entering the sterile area, that can come in many formats, many of them tailored to certain passengers that have disabilities (such as the protocols for screening someone in a wheelchair). I think that more care could have been exercised and the passenger could have been advised better, but that is all hindsight - the truth is, we don't know what the discussion between the Marine and the TSOs entailed, did they encourage him to do the AIT, did he choose to do it even though he was advised against it... we simply don't have that particular part of the story. The published TSO side of the story is limited, and the Marine is not talking much about it himself, so we can't really dissect that much at this point.

    It may be that the Marine just wants to ignore it and go on with his life, it could be that he is waiting for the right time to tell his story, it could be that the folks that complained forced the issue past where he wanted it to go. Unfortunately, I do not have a first account from him, and it does not seem as though he is going to make many public statements on it. Mostly, I wish this guy peace, I would guess that his life has been different since this dropped.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    How would MMW w/ATR resolve prosthetic legs?
  20. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    It would not, it would give the opportunity to resolve the torso and arms, leaving only the screening of the prosthetic devices afterwards.

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