TSA tells disable Marine to remove prosthetic legs

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by jtodd, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Which doesn't make a (expletive deleted) of a lot of sense for guy who has no legs to stand on while he's in the imaging machine.
     
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I noticed you misspelled "a lie." Hope this helps. Have a nice day.
     
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  5. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    Ok, let me get this straight. The TSA says this Marine CHOSE to go through the AIT. Look at the video - he's in a wheelchair and he has two canes for balance. So on his own he decides he'll walk over to the AIT, drop the canes he needs to balance himself and stand with his hands over his head without any "encouragement" from the TSA. Sorry, not buying that.

    I will tell you what a terrorist DOESN'T look like - a terrorist isn't an active duty disabled Marine with valid government ID who has two prosthetic legs traveling with a group of other active duty Marines with valid government ID.
     
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  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    IME, not really because these are just snippets. However, you can see the poor man trying to stand up using a cane and then sitting back down. At a later point, he, allegedly it is him, is standing in the AIT - but this tells nothing, no way of knowing who it is in the vile machine. Toward the end of the video, he gets out of the chair again and the chair is swabbed. It actually looks like a screener took a stick and just laid it across the arms of the chair for a split second. Then Cpl. Gaal is again seated while the screener goes to run the ETD test, after which he returns and apparently says the Marine can go. You never see the pat down or the swabbing of the prostheses.

    Why didn't they swab the chair when he was in the AIT? Why make him get up a third time?

    This whole thing smells - but what else is new with the TSA?
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This is what TSA calls Risk Based Screening. Apparently TSA is no better at this than anything else it tries to do.
     
  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Evidently, to a TSA employee real military personnel represent a visible reminder of the sort of heroes the TSA can only pretend to be. I still firmly believe that ex-military who go to "work" for the TSA represent the lowest of the low - they're the ones who've decided to take the oath and then turn around and wipe their butt with it.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They're either stupidly inefficient, or they do this sort of thing deliberately. Neither represents the agency in a good light.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    What we see here is an entire checkpoint, and possibly the whole airport, full of TSA screeners who can't use the most basic judgement qualities and evaluate risk.

    If they complied with TSA policy then the policy is wrong and the policy makers need to be fired or if they violated policy themselves then the screeners need to be fired. I don't think there is any in between on this one.
     
  11. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Let's look at the possibilities here:

    First, the TSA's explanation:
    A disabled Marine veteran, who can not stand on his own, "chose" to try to stand in the AIT, and possibly fall, causing further embarrassment, to avoid a full physical assault, err, patdown. If this was the determination for the AIT, this speaks volumes about how Americans, honorable ones, not like the scum employees of the TSA, view the disgusting and inappropriate touching.

    Now, the likely reason:
    A disabled Marine veteran, who can not stand on his own, "chose" to try to stand in the AIT, and possibly fall, causing further embarrassment, because he was threatened with possibly not making his flight if he didn't make that choice.

    Is either a real "choice" that Americans should have to make in the land of the free?
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA's claims just don't't hold water in this incident. Even if I tried I couldn't believe something against SOP didn't happen.
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Why not? What, exactly, do the rank-and-file TSA employees have to hide? Other than their base predilections for abusing the public and stealing stuff, that is?
     
  14. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Exactly.
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA won't fund something that will create evidence and put TSA screeners in a bad light. No, that would be doing something responsible.
     
  16. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    It is entirely possible. I have had folks in wheelchairs (yes, even some with dual prosthetics) choose the AIT even though it caused them great discomfort or even in one case, a pretty stout amount of pain. Their reasoning was their own, but one related they just wanted to do what everyone else was doing to prove that they could. There is also the matter of time in some cases, even with prosthetics, use of the AIT can cut down on the time needed to clear and get through the checkpoint. I do not have all of the information on this, so I can't tell you why he chose to use AIT, or whether he was encouraged to do so.

    We can only say what previous terrorists look like (and in some cases, what current but uncaught terrorists look like). Do you have a comprehensive list of all terrorists known and unknown to the US government worldwide? Terrorists come in all shapes, sizes, colors, walks of life, religions, and just about any other descriptors you would like to add in here. I will agree with you that this Marine is a much lower risk than some other people that transit the airport every day. I also believe that our military members should be given the Pre check status like many other frequent fliers. All that said, these folks still have to undergo screening per SOP, just like all other passengers. I can't advocate just giving a pass to someone based on their job/status/personality/nationality (and again, add in any descriptor here you might like) - and before you jump on me about TSA employees, I have always been for our people being screened coming into the checkpoints (at least). I am also in a minority with that opinion, so I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon either.
     
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm certainly not a security expert but I would be willing to bet with my life that a group of wounded military servicemen traveling together are not terrorists. TSA has available all manner of information about travelers and could have used that information to expidite the screening of these people. Screen for explosives, check their bags, and move on.

    A person who has difficulty standing is not going to rush the cockpit.
     
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  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can't argue with this comment. However, I do not make policy, and I am not always privvy to all of the information used to make policies.
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    See, I think that is part of the problem. NO ONE at TSA is accountable for the screwed up policies that are in place and the public has nothing available to verify just exactly what the policies are.

    I still can't understand how you can work for such an agency if 1/2 of what you say is true. How much abuse of the public is too much in your mind? Where do you personally draw the line?
     
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  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    This is a lie and you know it. The AIT and its attendant policies (like groping people's hair when the "anomaly" is shown on a knee, for example) result in delays far, far above and beyond the previous hand-wanding results from magnetometer alarms.

    The claims that AIT speeds up the checkpoint are pure horsepuckey. Of course, I am completely unsurprised by such untruths being uttered by a TSA employee.
     
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