TSA to blame in death of teen stowaway

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by THawk996, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. THawk996

    THawk996 Original Member

    TSA to blame in death of teen stowaway

  2. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    but no-one will be held accountable...
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  3. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    "re-training" on checkpoint #4, please!"
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And this will probably get very little media play.

    Terrible, sad story -- I remember when it happened -- and many of us have been waiting for a final ruling on this. Of course, the fact that it shows the Security Theater even more starkly for the sham that it is will have no effect on anything.
  5. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    The family has a lawsuit against TSA pending so I suspect this will lock in their case. Too bad that the ones who will suffer the penalty are the taxpayers and not the miscreants at TSA.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I doubt it -- opinions aren't admissible in court, and that's all they have from the committee.

    In my opinion TSA gets a pass on this one. We spend a lot of time here deriding TSA for thinking that they can provide perfect security in an imperfect world. Darwin material has been climbing up into the wheelwells of aircraft for decades; they will continue to do so from time to time.
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  7. myadvice

    myadvice Original Member

    Yes, Perfect security is impossible.

    No the TSA dosen't get a pass. The TSA thrives on selling its security theater :trash: to the anything-for-safety crowd. When events happen that show that vulnerabilities exist despite the massive amounts of tax (and airline fee) dollars wasted on meaningless theatrical acts, those bureaucrats responsible need to be held to account for their misspending and their lying to the public about their alleged effectiveness.
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  8. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Airport runways, ramps are dangerous places. Crawling into a wheel well of an aircraft and expecting to make it to your destination? Stupid and perhaps fatal. Pass out due to lack of oxygen and when they open the wheel well doors to land might have you losing your grip and life.
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I wouldn't say they get a pass on it.

    I'd hold the TSA entirely blameless for the idiot's death.

    I'd hold the TSA entirely responsible for wasting taxpayer dollars and utterly failing to achieve anything resembling "security."
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But in doing so you lose your own credibility. Ultimately people (including idiots who climb in the wheel wells of aircraft) are responsible for their own actions.

    Perimeter security at airports is not a TSA function. It is part of an airport's security plan that is reviewed by TSA, but the airport is responsible for implementing it.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If they are reviewing it as part of the plan, checking the implementation is assumed to be part of it. The TSA's predilections for cherry-picking their responsibilities are well-documented.
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  12. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Walking a fence line is something that one of our (not so) loved TSOs had to do in the military. They wouldn't like having to do it in civilian life.
  13. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member


    Do TSOs get a pass? Much as I hate to admit it...yeah. If this kid didn't traverse Checkpoint Charlie on their way to the wheel well, then there wasn't really an opportunity for blueshirts to stop them.

    Does TSA as a whole get a pass? I vote nay, because even if perimeter security is on the airport to provide, TSA has effectively taken up the mantle of "end-all be-all of air security in America." Not that they don't try to disavow the crap out of that as befits their own convenience and image, but they've positioned themselves such that when something like this happens, the natural public reaction is to say "Where was the TSA?"

    To shrug off responsibility would necessarily mean shrugging off credit for "keeping the nation's airports safe" and admitting that they can't do it all by themselves. To keep credit necessarily means taking on more responsibility than they probably want.

    Cake, TSA. Have it or eat it.
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