TSA to open PreCheck to all for a fee

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by jackonferry, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. jackonferry

    jackonferry Original Member

    Saw this in Ben Mutzabaugh's twitter feed:

  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't see how paying protection money to TSA makes us any safer. TSA is still a bunch of thugs.
  3. One of the things they used to tout about PreCheck is that you didn't have to pay. From the TSA Blog on November 28, 2012:

    Guess that talking point has to go now.
  4. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  5. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    There is one encouraging note in this article that Fisher1949 posted above:

  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think with over 10 years of evidence and history TSA has proven that TSA clerks are not trainable. How hard is it to train people that photography is not prohibited yet day after day we see TSA clerks in violation of that policy?

    The problems at TSA go much deeper than just TSA clerk training. The whole damn organization is defective with defective mangers and higher level executives. Policies that treat people differently, screening procedures that are clearly not well researched and not needed. TSA needs to be shut down. Security screening returned to the airports/airlines with oversight from the FAA.

    TSA had their chance and TSA has failed at every step.
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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Defective employees, defective managers, defective executives, defective policies, defective high-tech toys.

    If their goal was "security," I'd agree. If the TSA's goal was to "soften the average American's response to being violated," they had some initial success but appear to have not merely jumped the shark but actually pole-vaulted right over the beast.
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  8. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Everyone should receive the same common sense screening, there's no need for some animals to be more equal than others. The only reason PreCheck is being promoted is because the TSA bit off more than it can chew, and now has throughput issues at the checkpoint.

    A perfect example was SEA recently when the lines were so long, people were missing their flights. The TSA blamed it on people not being familiar with things like the War On Water. I didn't see see long wait times because, Surprise!, the walk through metal detectors were open in all lanes. :rolleyes:
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  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I wish I could "like" your post more than once, N965VJ. :)
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  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I would add another reason for the expansion: TSA and Congress were getting blasted for the "some animals are more equal" policy. Rather than come out and admit such, they open up another layer of flyers that don't need full-bore screening all the time.

    The removal of backscatter, the policy changes for kids and oldsters all came about because of pressure.

    We are having an impact on how the TSA operates and we need to keep up the pressure.
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I won't be satisfied until I find the TSA flush button.

    The day a TSA clerk tried to steal from me was the day I became an anti-TSA activist. My interactions with others higher up the food chain at TSA convinced me that there was no redeemable value in that pigsty.

    No amount of tweaking the screening process is acceptable until everyone is screened exactly the same.
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You rang? Ready & waiting for you!

  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Evidently by applying for per check you open up your entire web history to TSA. Folks, search companies keep that data FOREVER. Why would anyone do this to themselves?
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    They would find that I have an extremely low opinion of TSA and proud of it!
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Link? Specifics?

    Giving TSA free run to review all the opionions you've posted on the web would really reek, and probably not pass constitutional muster in the end.

    TSA sounds more & more the Stasi every day.

  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Or others apply for Pre-Check for you.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This was at a land crossing so it was a "trusted traveler" program other than PreCheck, but this underscores what N965VJ said up-thread: Everyone should receive the same common sense screening, there's no need for some animals to be more equal than others."

    Fox 19: Man with 'trusted-traveler' arrested in human smuggling case (July 26 2013)

    A 27-year-old man, who U.S. Customs and Border Protection said had "trusted-traveler" status, was arrested Wednesday for trying to smuggle a Mexican national into the U.S. CBP revoked the Secure Electronic Network for Traveler's Rapid Inspection (SENTRI) membership of Juan Carlos Chavez, 27, after officers found a 34-year-old woman in the truck of his Ford Sedan. CBP said the trunk did not have an internal release, and the woman had to be removed through the back seat.
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There is a discussion over at the other place about expanding Pay Check. Some poster by the handle of Bicoastal has tried to make it a science experiment while I tried to explain that TSA already has the information at hand to make Pay Check the standard level of screening. It's like talking to Sheldon.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    But without Sheldon's intelligence. (I'm assuming you're making a Big Bang Theory reference...)
  20. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Sure as (expletive deleted) don't want to be the clean up crew for that HazMat.
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