TSA Took My Toddler’s Juice

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    If the clerks know that there are exemptions in place, and no evidence is required, then why must a passenger inform the clerk?
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    In this case the clerk WAS informed but elected to make up a new rule on the spot.

    Par for the course for a group where 91% has achieved nothing higher than a GED or equivalent.
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  4. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Ronnie, could you point us to the location where all of the rules we are expected to comply with are printed? You can't because those rules are SSI. Your cow-orkers often say that the TSA web site is out of date. Who are we to believe when both often lie?
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

  6. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Interesting - yet another example of TSO's making up rules.

    A TSO on the 'dark side' posted about this exact same situation and made it clear that if someone failed to follow the unpublished rules about medical liquids at the checkpoint, it was NOT grounds for punitive confiscation, but it would result in a delay and additional 'scrutiny' to clear the items.

    Who to believe? Someone who actually works the floor around checkpoints....or someone who doesn't.
  7. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    From the TSA's website:

    From the article:

    No excuse. None.

    Watch how quickly any TSOs or TSA apologists leave this thread...because god forbid they should have to admit that the TSA SCREWED UP and targeted a small child for their inanity.
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  8. This whole issue could be solved by the TSA with some clear signage about the rules. "If you have liquid in excess of the limits for medical or child care reasons, you MUST declare them in advance." Or whatever their rule actually is. But I know that would run contrary to the culture of the agency.

    But really, some institutional sympathy for what it is to take a small child on a plane could win the TSA a lot of favor. Throwing us a bone, that kids can keep their shoes on, isn't nearly enough. I thought this blog post was well written and wise -- it really is
    The TSA could also help us out by understanding this one:
    This is the reason I haven't been on a plane in two years, and am frankly dreading getting on one in January. Rugape made his case a while back that TSA doing people small favors of good will could mend a lot of fences; indeed, willingly letting toddlers keep their juice boxes under the "medically necessary" policy, whether or not moms remember to declare them in advance, could help a great deal.

    Overall, this is an excellent example of how TSA is an agency of rule-enforcement, not public safety.
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Actually, it's a better example of petty tyrannies than "rule-enforcement," since it seems many of those "rules" simply don't exist - or are inapplicable to the cases in which the blue-shirted monkeys are trying to apply them.
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  10. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    The idea that a TSA agent confiscated this child's juice, solely because the mother didn't actively "declare" it, speaks volumes about what's wrong with the TSA: an utter lack of humanity, total disregard for the challenges involved in traveling (and, especially, doing so with children, elderly and/or the disabled), and an inability to apply logic and reason to illogical, ever-changing rules.

    I've traveled with toddlers - it's HARD, and that's not even counting the stressful experience at the checkpoint. To expect parents to stop attending to their children so they can "declare" the allowed substances they are bringing is inane. To expect them to remember every detail of what's expected of them at the checkpoint, and then PENALIZE them by STEALING their belongings if they skip a detail such as "declaring" their items, is inhumane.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's playing their stupid game by negotiating the rules. Let's go back to simpler times where smart people left their guns, bombs & knives at home and security wasn't a hassle for anyone with an IQ over 70.
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Bingo -- we should not have to declare nor should we be harassed for the trappings of every day existence.
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  13. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    You know, it just hit me - time was, you had to "declare" items when going through customs and importing/exporting anything that's over a given dollar value or on some kind of ecological control list. It was considered something done under extenuating circumstances.

    Now mom and dad have to declare little Billy's grape juice when they're flying to Disneyland? Poppycock.
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  14. Let me just say, I agree that a "declare it or lose it" policy is completely unreasonable and arguably unconstitutional, but if said policy is ever ever going to be carried out, there should be clear, bold-typed signage. I'd much prefer the TSA be honest about their Stalinist agenda than what they do now: put up those cutesy signs with balloons that say "hey kids, you're in luck, you get to keep your shoes on!" and then take away a 3 year old's undeclared juice.
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  15. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Anyone who thinks it's acceptable to confiscate a toddler's juice because her Mommy didn't make a point of actively "declaring" it is a monster.

    Kinda like the TSOs who forced Nadine Hayes to throw away the medically necessary, allowable (according to TSA's posted rules) and even actively DECLARED foods/liquids for her 93-yr-old disabled mother, then violently stole her small cooler, and then had her PROSECUTED for attempting to hang onto something that belonged to her, that she was allowed to carry onboard because it was now EMPTY!

    Monstrous. No other word applies.
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  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Anyone willing to put on the blue shirt and "work" for the TSA is a monster.
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I see this problem differently.

    It's not the rules that are a problem, it's TSA.

    The day TSA gets tossed in the trash can as a bad idea that was actually worse in practice is the day that FREE AMERICANS can travel unhindered by government as our Constitution guarantees.

    There is no question in my mind that all of TSA, its leaders, TSA employees, and TSA supporters stand against the United States!
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Unfortunately, thugs and idiots are ubiquitous among TSA employees.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I wish everyone would accept responsibility and consequences for their choices.

    If they did, there would be no need at all for the TSA's idiots and thugs.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    First you'd need to show where the Constitution gives the right to regulate such to any branch of government, as the Tenth Amendment clearly states that powers not delegated to the Feds belong to the States or the people...

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