Video TSA: Unregistered Sex Offenders (and Ben Affleck's Approval)

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Karen De Coster @ LRC Blog: TSA: Unregistered Sex Offenders (and Ben Affleck's Approval)

    Posted by Karen De Coster on November 2, 2012 06:35 AM
    Wikipedia describes it this way: "Sex offender registration is a system in various states designed to allow an government authorities to keep track of the residence and activities of sex offenders..."

    I've not been flying much, for the obvious reasons, but I recently wrote about my latest incident of molestation on my way to the Mises Institute Supporters Summit. And truly, the young TSA lady who molested me at the Detroit airport did so unwillingly, and I could tell that she didn't belong in her job. But she was courted by the government job, promise of security (pun intended), and the longing for a pension in an otherwise no-pension world. On the way back, however, I was repaid for the young lady's lack of TSA-ness when I was escorted to the Molestation Station by what appeared to be the Queen Bulldyke on duty that day (we'll call her QB). Ms. QB took full advantage of her powers as a 300+ lb. unregistered sex offender to offend, and then offend again. As bad as that is, no slavemaster will ever pull me through the porno photo booth and leave lasting images of KDC T&A. What a sad testament it is to never see anyone else opt out of Chertoff's profitable porn scheme, and instead they happily shuffle through the porn booth and smile while baring it all for the peons who run the porn scheme for their masters.

    Watch this video of Ben Affleck, the pansy Hollywood guy who can fly private wherever he goes, state that the TSA grabbing your dick "is not the end of the world." I'm certain that Mr. Affleck's dick doesn't speak for all of us who can't book a chartered jet everywhere we go.

  2. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Ben Affleck is a dick...'nuff said.:p
  3. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    This sucks. For two reasons: 1) I find myself in the sickening position of having to agree with Ann Coulter, whom I consider one of the vilest human beings on the planet, and 2) I LIKED Ben Affleck! I think he's a good actor, and I agree with most of his politics, which (prior to today) I thought came from a place of more deep thought and basic intelligence than most fluffy celebrities. Turns out he's just as bad as Ann - he'll jump on any inane band-wagon as long as it's viewed as being opposite the "other party". What he failed to realize is that opposition to the TSA is one of the few actual non-partisan issues. And as offensive as it might have felt to do so, this was one time when he should have AGREED with Ms Coulter.

    Damn. Now I have to stop watching his movies. :(
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Watch more of Ann Coulter! :)
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't put much stock in actors political opinions nor talking heads from any arena. They are actors and discussion generators, what makes them expert on anything political? Sean Penn has done some good movies but his politics in no way reflect what most people support.

    Believe what you believe in, to (expletive deleted) with everyone else!
  6. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned she is evil personified. She happens to be on the right side of this particular issue...but then hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day!
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Some of us would say that Ann Coulter is on the right side of most issues.

    Are your clocks working? ;)
  8. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Y'know, I hear that a lot: why is anybody listening to actors or other celebrities? They're nothing but entertainers, have no background in politics or government, and therefore have nothing of value to say. And while I can understand why someone would think that, I can't say I completely agree.

    Here's why: actors, musicians, celebrities etc. are just human beings like the rest of us, and as such they have just as much right to have an opinion as anyone else. What someone does for a living is not the yardstick I use to measure the value of their opinion. What matters more to me are attributes such as intelligence, involvement in activities to help others, concern for life outside their rich-person bubble, and their overall character. Of course I realize that, when it comes to rich and famous celebrities, we only get to see the parts of them that their publicists want us to see. But some things cannot be hidden, and a general view of the person CAN be gleaned by what information we do have access to.

    For example, I cannot help but respect celebrities such as Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, George Clooney, & Oprah Winfield who expend huge amounts of time and money on charitable ventures. These people make an effort to use their celebrity to help other people, and better the world. They are well-traveled, and have access to information, perspectives and world leaders that I in my little suburban life don't have. They come across as intelligent, well-versed in reality, and capable of forming valid opinions. While I don't consider them experts in world affairs, I believe they have things of value to say, perspectives that I want to hear. I don't *alter* my beliefs based on what they say, but I see a place for factoring their opinions into my overall perspective. Just like I'm interested in hearing what my Vietnam-vet uncle thinks about our current military. And what my great-aunt who lived through the depression thinks about the economy. And what my nephew thinks about the current higher-education landscape and how hard it is to pay for college. These are all pieces of the puzzle that help me formulate my own opinions.

    Then there's people like Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, Tom Cruise and Charlie Sheen. These people are spoiled, self-absorbed, apparently not very bright, and appear utterly oblivious to what's going on outside of their little rich-&-famous bubbles. I have zero interest in anything any of them have to say, on any topic whatsoever.

    So, there ya have it. My opinion is that being a celebrity does not render one's opinion any more important than anyone else's...but nor does mean their opinions are completely devoid of value.
  9. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Mike, let's not go there. Ann Coulter espouses everything that I consider to be evil...on a par with the TSA. And let's leave it at that. I'm sure you must realize that you will not change my opinion...and I won't change yours. I only mentioned her because I thought it was ironic that I actually agreed with her on this one topic, given that I disagree (vehemently) with virtually everything else that comes out of her mouth---especially when she uses epithets like "retarded" when talking about our President. As a close family friend of a Downs Syndrome young man, that literally made me want to punch her in the mouth.

    So let's just stop.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Then don't start it. This site is not run by a bunch of lefties. Your personal agendas are not necessarily ours.

    There are people on both sides here, but when go off on a tangent here, you can't expect not to be challenged.
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think you completely missed what I was trying to say.

    If Ben Affleck (and others like him) wasn't a person with some notoriety then his political opinion would have no more weight than mine or yours. That doesn't mean he isn't well informed but it also doesn't mean he is someone who should be listened to. As far as some of these people using their monies to help others I don't think you will find many who would take exception.
  12. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    RB I don't disagree with you. I was responding to this statement:

    My point was that I don't put any LESS stock in what actors or entertainers say about politics than I do anyone else. And in some cases, while they may not be "experts", the nature of their lives and what they experience and are exposed to gives them information and perspectives that could, in fact, render their opinion more valued than, say, the check-out girl at the supermarket. So I do listen to them...sometimes.

    I'm sorry if you thought I was "starting it". I began by simply noting how ironic it was that I found myself in a position of actually having to agree with her. When you then suggested that I should watch more of her, I shouldn't have engaged at that point. And I am fully aware that this site isn't run by "lefties". However, it appears that you consider lefties to not be welcome here, so I will participate no longer. Thanks.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's not what I said at all. What I said is that if you start a discussion you need to be prepared to continue it. This is not how we "discuss" things here:

  14. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member


    I know TUG isn't my site and I can speak only for myself, but I've always welcomed your contributions to our dialogue here and would be sorry to see you go.

    With regard to the left/right political divide, I've always felt that one of TUG's greatest strengths is that we didn't focus on our own political differences, but rather on what unites us - activism against TSA. I know Mike has a long-term plan in mind for TUG that will see it extending beyond stopping TSA and continuing operation after TSA's dissolution, but we should always remember what brought us together here in the first place. TSA is still a problem, and LeeAnne's observation that she agrees with Coulter (a commentator who I normally don't pay attention to at all as I tend to dislike the vast majority of career political pundits) was, to me, reinforcement of the idea that TSA's wrongdoing is something that can unite people across partisan boundaries.

    Insofar as TUG is not a site by, of and for lefties, I would imagine it's neither a site by, of and for righties or centrists either. I hate to go Kumbaya on you all, but perhaps it's in our best interests to focus more on what we can agree upon and try to reinforce the bonds of community rather than letting differences drive us apart. TUG is still a small community as web forums go, and so each individual member counts for a lot.

    My $0.02 worth, anyway.
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  15. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Not to keep belaboring the obvious, but I didn't start it. I did not start a discussion about politics. As Celtic so rightly points out, my comment was more along the lines of how interesting it is that this particular topic reaches across the political divide. To then have you tell me I should watch someone whose politics I find abhorrent was a bit shocking to me. I do not come here to be told that my political opinions are wrong, and I should listen to those who believe the opposite of what I believe. I do not come here to have the site owner snarkily suggest there is something wrong with me because I disagree with Ann Coulter ("are your clocks working?"). I came here because I thought we were all on the same side of this issue.

    I disagree with you that I need to be "prepared to continue" a discussion I didn't start, or want to participate in. But you ARE the owner of the site, and you have made it clear that it is not okay for me to even MENTION that I have "leftie" opinions. So as I said, I will participate no longer. I get attacked enough by people for my political views. I thought this was a safe place...clearly it isn't.

    I do wish you the best of luck in your efforts to stop the TSA. But if you want more people to join you in this worthy effort, you might want to think about how to be a bit more welcoming to people from the other side of the aisle.
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    What she said. I never say the right thing to Leftists. Ignore anything I said.
  17. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Another instance where political leanings divide folks who otherwise share more important interests.

    I'm often amazed that the comments at HuffPo, MSNBC, Fox and Brietbart will all be critical of TSA when they couldn't agree on anything on the day of the week. Of course both always blame the other side.

    These kinds of divisions are precisely what enables bad government like TSA to get away with their abuses.
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  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think we are almost saying the same thing with some slight differences.

    I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent. I don't need actors, talking heads, pundits or anyone else to tell me what to believe. If I don't understand something I try to learn enough to satisfy my lack of understanding. For policiticians I look to their performance rather than sound bites. For issues I look to my core beliefs.

    I know that as a country we cannot continue like we are doing now. Government cannot continue providing a growing number of the public’s income. Government regulation is killing small business such as the credit union I help run. Government closing off sources of energy only makes us more dependent on other countries, many of which don't care much for our way of life. Governments continued attacks on personal freedoms such as religion cannot in my mind continue.

    I spent most of my adult life fighting for this country. It saddens me to see some of the things being done today. I think people need to step up and be responsible for themselves and their families. I realize that not everyone can be well off, heck I'm certainly not, and that is part of the problem. Many people seem to think they are entitled to anything they want. People would rather have a nice car rather than pay for health insurance. People will have a cell phone but let other obligations fall behind. I'm not rich, not even close, but I am responsible for what I have. My first job was in grade school washing dishes in the cafeteria. Imagine that being done today. I delivered papers, farmed, worked in a local restaurant, and stocked groceries before joining the service after I turned down a music scholarship. I am no stranger to being poor but I can't recall a day when my family didn't have everything they needed to be well fed, clothed, and their medical needs provided for. Good things don't happen by holding your hand out to government but by taking charge of ones life and working hard at any job one can get.

    I can only say that government is not the solution to our personal problems. If you want to tag me with a title because of that then go right ahead.
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  19. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I, for one, am not interested in tagging anyone with any title (other than TSA clerks with the usual repertoire) and if LeeAnne leaves over this, I'm going to miss the (expletive deleted) out of her because she was always one of our most passionate members.

    I think we can strive to be more welcoming to people of all regions of the poltical playing field, but if we are to do that, it must be based on understanding and enlightenment and not on a unilateral decision from site management saying "This is how things will be." We've all seen what we get from good-intentioned admins trying to force everything to be gushingly nice all the time. I want to see civility but I care that it's genuine - forcing it artificially will only trade one set of users for another. As much as I don't want to see LeeAnne go, I also don't want her to stay at the expense of driving away Elizabeth Conley. Both users have unique and, I think, valuable perspectives they bring to the table. There can be enlightenment in contrast, but I'd prefer the contrast not turn into conflict.

    That said, I think that place of understanding and welcoming is something worth striving for. TUG is, perhaps, unique in the Travel Freedom movement as it's the only TF site I know of where there's an active forum and where discussion of TSA can go on as critically as users decide. Most are either blogs/static websites or have heavy moderation in their discussions. It can only help our cause (and our membership figures) to be as welcoming as possible to as many liberty-minded people as possible.

    Again, my $0.02 worth. I do not have, nor do I presume to assume, the authority to force any of it to happen. But I think it'd be nice if it did.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Unless it's digital - like the TSA. Then it just goes blank.

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