Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, May 21, 2012.
Divide and Conquer.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
99% of the public should be screened in the manner that PreCheck allows. Less than 1% of people who travel by any means are any kind of threat to the transportation systems.
TSA needs to go back to square one and screen based on the almost zero threat that the vast majority present.
Current TSA screening polices are bassakwards.
In other words, screw the hoi polloi.
In other words, they can still f**k with you as much as they want.
You are spot on boggie dog - TSA's current screening and assumptions that we're all equal risks, is what's wrong with the current system. So if this means PreCheck starts treating us as non-risks, then I'm all for it.
John, whether your hands wander into my crotch should not depend on *your* whim. If I haven't done something to deserve it, keep the (expletive deleted) out. What's so magical about 75%? Just a number you idiots pulled out of your *ss.
Remember that TSA's idea of expedited screening is that it still includes random gropes. Unless their head count is significantly reduced, nothing will really change overall.
From out perspective we really don't care who is abused as long as the spectacle continues until TSA is disbanded.
This announcement is just an attempt gain some PR brownie points for an agency that is incapable of effecting any positive change.
It's a sick, sad world where U.S. citizens grasp at the hope that our federal government might decrease the rate of sexual assaults and thefts their thug squads commit against us by 75%.
We used to be a free people. We used to have rights. When we were assaulted or stolen from we could count on the rule of law and had some hope of justice.
Let's not settle for scaled back abuse. Let's hold out for the return of our citizenship in free republic and the rule of law.
So those who fly once or twice a year are still going to be subjected to full-blown assault at checkpoints? And everyone else still has to be degraded by the nude-o-scopes.
I hope this isn't the big change that Christopher Elliott mentioned last week in one of his columns, 'cause this is no change at all.
Hope and change, baby. At this point I'm hoping November will change things. It's not a big hope, but I'd prefer to vote in a booth and not from a roof.
Not to get too political, but just a reminder that this coming election will be a good time to remember that we've been shafted by both of the big parties in this country. The GOP created the TSA beast and the Democrats pumped it full of comic-book-style mutant-soldier slime.
I know how I personally will be voting but I want to stop short of pushing any particular candidate or party. Just think about how best to convey the idea that we're sick of being tag-teamed by parties who purport to be different but, when the chips are down, both push for authoritarian laws that act to the detriment of the people.
Bonus points for any way to get the message out that it has to do with TSA in particular.
Agree 100%. Even ONE state sanctioned sexual molestation at the airport is too many. If you don't have reasonable cause, a la Terry, don't do the groin/butt/chest massaging.
"The TSA is well aware that the vast majority of the 6 billion people it has screened since 2001 aren’t a terrorist threat, Pistole said." Well, DUH. Let's see, if we can expedite screening for the frequent flyer and shorten the lines then maybe we'll get fewer complaints and people won't be so anti TSA because for the most part they will be happily unaffected by our stupidity and ineptness yet at the same time we can continue to harass, degrade, molest and humiliate those people who only fly a couple of times a year who probably won't complain. And considering the airlines have to recommend passengers for this "special dispensation" they are complicit in this dog and pony show.
And lets not forget all the data TSA will be collecting on you in order to "Pre-Check" you. Where does that information go, and who has access to it?
Pre-check really reminds me of one of the failed iterations of Secure Flight: TSA wanted to do credit checks on people each time they made plane reservations. Never mind that the credit scores of frequent flyers would go down, down, down. Eventually TSA saw reason on that point. And even though Pre-Check isn't about credit scores, it's still about gathering a lot of data that they don't really need. And why in the world should we give them that much information about ourselves?
Considering that the TSA can't even keep their own employee data secured, I have zero confidence in their "protection" of flyer data.
I had my first PreCheck experience at LAX last week and it was glorious. I was through security in under 20 seconds. Shoes on, jacket on, computer in bag, liquids in bag. The guy even told me to keep my blackberry in my pocket and my sunglasses on, though I chose not to risk alarming the WTMD. That's right, no WBI in sight. I spoke a little bit to the guy who went through before me. He had largely stopped traveling because he was sick of security. He heard about GE and PreCheck and decided to see what it was like. He was amazed at the results.
It's only in about 10 airports now, and only 3-4 airlines fully participate, though more are coming on board. By the end of the year, it should be at the 35 largest airports and the 4 largest carriers (American, Delta, United and USAir) will be full participants, as will many other smaller airlines.
If you only fly once or twice a year, the best way to participate in PreCheck is to enroll in Global Entry. Once you are accepted you enter your GE number, rather than your frequent flyer number, in the security section of your airline profile. GE costs $100 (good for five years) and involves filling out a lengthy form (about the equivalent of a secret security clearance). Over on the other board people are reporting 90%+ PreCheck success rates with GE; 50% success rates as a frequent flyer with an airline but without GE; and less than 50% success rates in other circumstances. In order to get PreCheck for any given trip, you have to have the trip generate a low risk score. GE membership will do a lot more than any other factor, including frequent travel on one airline, to reduce your risk score. That's because of the background check that accompanies GE.
Like it or not, the program is expanding and, I believe, they will gradually loosen the rules as they gain more experience with it. It seems some segments of international itineraries are eligible for PreCheck now, and that was not the case a few months ago. TSA also signed an agreement with Israel on a reciprocal GE program that will provide PreCheck benefits to people traveling to/from Israel. I have spoken extensively to both travel industry representatives and TSA program managers. Although I am skeptical about TSA, there is strong commitment to this program. They may still do something unpleasant with the freed-up resources, such as increase checks at the gate. But, in the words of my sainted grandmother, we will burn that bridge when we get to it.
Of course it does.
The TSA rubbed our noses in the Constitution and isnow selling it back to us -- one privileged group at a time. This is exactly how the Soviet Communinists survived. They gained and held on to power by doling out privileges to special people under the threat that these privileges could be suspended or revoked at any time for any (or no) reason.
The only way we are ever going to take back our country at airports is to confront the TSA and go toe-to-toe with them every chance we get. Part 2 is to get serious about not flying to bring the industry to its knees.
Why the (expletive deleted) should people have to spend $100 to be treated decently, respectfully and constitutionally by their government?
For a family of four, that's an outlay of $400 for what you should be getting free of charge in the first place.
Sorry, but this is just one big crock of .
No way would I ever join Pre-Check.
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