TSA wasn't wrong to pursue full body scanners

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Best part of this is Sommer Gentry's reply ...

    GIMBY: TSA wasn't wrong to pursue full body scanners

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    The panic that ensued after 9/11 sparked a lot of bad decision-making, and the TSA - where the political and the very, very personal come together every time you fly - was at the center of that panic. Rather than stop all the planes from flying, TSA's leaders tried something they thought would work, and would pass muster among the majority of Americans. They were wrong on both counts. But they had to try something.

    The next thing they introduce to keep air passengers safe will probably be a little bit better - but it won't be perfect. Isn't that how progress works?

    Sommer's retort:

    No, the TSA was definitely wrong to create naked images of innocent people, including children, using full-body scanners that dose us with carcinogenic X-rays. Definitely, incontrovertibly wrong. They are still wrong to be fondling the genitals of people whose only crime was buying an airline ticket. The TSA is still rubbing the penises and labia of minors too young to consent to sexual touching. All of this is absolutely wrong and flies in the face of Constitutional guarantees and American tradition that should prevent warrantless invasive searches of our bodies.

    I'm still trying to picture how a room full of people (most likely all men) at TSA got around a conference table and convinced themselves that, sure, women will happily pose nude for an unknown man in a hidden pornography booth. Which one of these guys said, sure, parents will totally allow strangers to rub their children in the places their bathing suit covers? Where were the voices of reason in that conversation?
     
  2. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    Edward Hodgman's credibility was blown to smithereens in less than a sentence:

    In response to Sommer's by-line:

    the idiot wrote:

    Regardless, I will defend (and officially did defend for 25 years) his First Amendment right to be an idiot.
     
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    She made a statement of fact, describing accurately what is occurring, and *she* is being pornographic. Isn't it the conduct of the degenerate TSA clerks that is pornographic and lewd? The idiot writer is apparently incapable of connecting some very large dots.
     
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Go on over and leave that on GIMBY.
     
  5. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Not really worth it. The editor is a boot-licker that couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag. He likes it if kids and other Americans are felt up and looked at nude, he just doesn't want to read or write about it. He can jump off a cliff for all I care.
     
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I can't see any comments on either my computer or my phone. What am I doing wrong?
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I had left a comment but no longer see it. I certainly don't think it crossed any unacceptable boundaries. Guess gimby can't handle questions. Cowards!
     
  8. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Mine won't clear either. With citizens like him America doesn't need enemies.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I got back on a real computer and can still see the comments. Here they are, just for you.

    Noted on the GUMBY page: Company Town

    Guess that means they are in the governments pocket! Based on this article by Edward Hogdman it is pretty clear they are not working on behalf of the public.


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    Sommer Gentry · Top Commenter · Associate Professor at United States Naval Academy
    No, the TSA was definitely wrong to create naked images of innocent people, including children, using full-body scanners that dose us with carcinogenic X-rays. Definitely, incontrovertibly wrong. They are still wrong to be fondling the genitals of people whose only crime was buying an airline ticket. The TSA is still rubbing the penises and labia of minors too young to consent to sexual touching. All of this is absolutely wrong and flies in the face of Constitutional guarantees and American tradition that should prevent warrantless invasive searches of our bodies.

    I'm still trying to picture how a room full of people (most likely all men) at TSA got around a conference table and convinced themselves that, sure, women will happily pose nude for an unknown man in a hidden pornography booth. Which one of these guys said, sure, parents will totally allow strangers to rub their children in the places their bathing suit covers? Where were the voices of reason in that conversation?

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    Elizabeth Conley · Top Commenter ·
    Great. Listen Mr. Hodgeman, the TSA has enough enablers. They don't need any more sycophants. Next you'll be singing the praises of Himmler, Eichman, Goebbels and Mengale, lionizing them as great "servants of progress."

    "Progress" isn't so sacred a goal that any and all acts of evil justify the ends. Progress toward what? An efficient police state? Complete and utter moral dissolution? Where is the DHS going with their assault on the U.S. Constitution?

    What if intelligent, law-abiding, self-respecting U.S. citizens aren't interested in progressing in the direction the DHS is so determined to take us? Do we have any say in the matter whatsoever?
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    Gimby
    Prof. Gentry: We almost deleted your comment as inappropriate, since the content borders on the pornographic, but it seems like a professor at West Point -- and a public servant (tenured, no less) -- can decide what to say in a public forum about the priorities of government. Even if the post was about scanners and you decided to write about full-body searches. Thank you for checking in.

    Ms. Conley: Not everything is an assault on the U.S. Constitution. And luckily, very few things in American life merit a comparison to Nazi Germany. Some things are misguided decisions by people working in government or in corporations the government contracts with to solve problems to which the public has demanded a solution. Your question “What if intelligent, law-abiding, self-respecting U.S. citizen aren’t interested in progressing in the direction the DHS is so determined to take us?” is precisely the point of GIMBY. The scanners are being removed, in part because of public pressure and because the TSA could not negotiate a fix that would satisfy the public’s demand for anonymous screening.

    Edward Hodgman, Editor.
    Reply · Like· Unfollow Post · 6 hours ago

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      • Ron Bonner · 60 years old
        If what Sommer wrote borders on pornography then what does GIMBY call what TSA employees are doing to thousands of people each day whose only crime was to buy a ticket on an airliner?

        I call it sexual assault! It would be if done anywhere else!
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  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't have any of the accounts they require to comment. In this day and age, not to have gmail/google accounts in that list is idiotic. unless by design, as google takes better care of customer info than some..
     
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member


    Thanks, RB. I, too, just got on a "real" computer and am able to see the comments. Sounds to me like Hodgman is trying to get himself out of a big faux pas.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I just look at that article again, my comment wasn't visible so I stuck it in again thinking it had been deleted. Something about that sites comment set up is wonky.
     
  13. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I called him on the Annapolis/West Point thing, did he have the stones to post that?
     
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Yes.

    I saw your comment earlier today on a real computer. I don't see mine or yours on my tablet. Don't know why that is.
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Frank, I checked again this morning (real computer) and I see your comment but seems mine was deleted. Either that or just a wonky display of the page.
     

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