TSA's PreCheck Program Doomed at Takeoff / Situation Normal: All Fouled Up

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    http://www.portfolio.com/business-t...nches-precheck-program-that-is-doomed-to-fail

    Really good stuff here - a must read:

     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Last night's news featured interviews with "trusted travelers" who were singing the praises of the new program. I could not help but wonder if the TSA was letting everyone through on the first day of the program and how long it will be before one of the interviewees gets caught in the "mix 'em up to fool the terrorists" nonsense. It's my guess that 99% of those who signed on to the program don't have a clue that they can be denied expedited screening on a whim.
     
  3. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I simply refuse to give my information to a bunch of people I dont trust as far as i can put a round down range, and thats before factoring the typical TSA random BS (which is a bold face lie and cover for there gross incompetance). I give less then 60 days before theres a breach of security and peoples information.
     
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  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You're kidding, right? The ones who signed onto the program don't even understand that not only can they be denied expedited screening at the whim of a high-school dropout, they can be "required" to go with the blue-shirted thug into a supply closet for a strip search if the thug says so.

    The sad part is that those who signed on to have their personal information mishandled by an organization composed of idiots, thieves, and perverts will be perfectly happy to do so "in an Abundance of Security, as Long As It Keeps Us Safer, and the TSA Employees Are Only Doing a Hard Job That Someone's Gotta Do."
     
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  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You must trust them more than I do. I don't trust any employee of the TSA or DHS as far as I can shot-put a cheesecake underwater.
     
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  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Interesting article, thanks for posting. Here's an insight into TSA's thought processes, and shows us that nothing really has changed:
    from the article posted:

    Or, to use the TSA's exact words, which appeared on an ESP webpage that was removed on Tuesday:
    "Passengers are always subject to random, unpredictable screening measures.… At no point is this an entitlement club."

    Totally useless. They removed it because of bad press, not because they don't reserve the right to do that to you anytime they please. Again, arbitrary. Un-American. Just do your screening as you announce you will do it at the checkpoint, and be done with it. It stops nothing and fools no one to make silly reservations like this. It only demoralizes the innocents.
     
  7. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Yet many will perceive it to be just that, including TSA.
     
  8. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Thats hilarious I hadnt heard that one before.

    I dont trust them period, and if they want to tangle with me they better be outside of my accuracy range but thats not close as a .338 Lupua Magnum has a very long effective reach. Hence the comment.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And yet we all know what the average TSA clerk does to someone that the TSA clerk perceives as "entitled."
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If TSA can claim success with the unscientific TSA BDO program then TSA can and will claim success with any nonfunctional program TSA desires.
     
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  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Given the TSA's facility in lying to the public, it is entirely possible that the SPOT program is successful - according to the unpublished criteria for the program. According to the published goals, it's a dismal failure.

    If the SPOT program's real goal is determining the acceptance of the traveling public for idiots asking asinine questions, they may well have succeeded.
     
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  12. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I enjoy the privileges that Global Entry affords, however I've not jumped on the Trusted Traveler program because of all the reasons stated above. When I reenter the US I know I can go to a kiosk, do my thang and then scoot through with a mere waive of my free pass - I fear there's no free passes with Trusted Traveler and in fact I expect quite the opposite because TSA trusts no one.
     
  13. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    As long as their procedure gives them an 'out' to abuse passengers in the (in their eyes) privileged class they will take it more often than not. They are not to be trusted with even the littlest thing open to interpretation.
     
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  14. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Whether it is open to interpretation, or not, they still cannot be trusted. How many times have items been confisca... er... voluntarily surrendered that are listed on the web site as allowed in carry-on luggage?
     
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  15. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Reports from the first day of the TT program are that people were allowed to keep kippie bags/laptops/shoes on and in bags, and were sent through the WTMD.
     
  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    How long do you suppose that is going to last?
     
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    That's a great cartridge. I had an hs precision in 338 LM; it could do 4 inch groups at 1000 yards. It could, I couldn't....
     
  18. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Knowing TSA, not very long.. I suppose time will tell. Seems to coincide with reports on NoS being removed from airports..
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Haven't seen any report(s) of Strip Search Machines being removed. Can you post a link to such an article?
     
  20. jackonferry

    jackonferry Original Member

    I wonder if TSA's trusted traveler program will work against Global Entry flyers who are returning to the US. Presumably, one of the risks that will get a trusted traveler diverted back to the regular search process is the presence of high risk people on your flight or a flight originating from a high risk area. I think almost by definition, foreign flyers are going to be deemed high risk because they can't participate in the trusted traveler program and TSA, therefore, will know less about them. This is just a guess at this point, but I would expect trusted travelers on flights that have a disproportionate number of foreigners to experience diversion to regular security with some regularity.
     

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