TSORon Arrives

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by FetePerfection, Oct 16, 2011.

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  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I see both sides of this. I think it comes down to the value of intelligent and honest discourse. N965VJ is right in saying that we should have both sides of the issue represented so as to avoid the incestuous-echo effect. While I've seen other forums where a steadfast insistence upon representing both sides has damaged the community, I think we can learn from their mistakes in the particulars of how they handled it and not sacrifice like-minded members upon the altar of ideological diversity.

    HOWEVER...

    TSORon, as LeeAnne quite astutely pointed out, is in no way interested in an honest debate. We have a couple of TSA staffers here who do seem to at least pay the concept some lip service if not outright respect, but Ron is not one of them. The only thing he's offered is a mixture of ad-hominems, red-herring links that provide completely irrelevant information, and accusations of willful ignorance in response to being called out on the uselessness of the links he "contributes."

    I think N965VJ is right about debates because they provide additional points about TSA's policies and procedures that we can read, break down into their component parts, analyze the crap out of, and hopefully use toward the goal of restoring essential civil liberties at the airport. With Rugape and even Bart, we get that. There was even a hint of it with SATTSO once in a great while. With TSORon? Not even close.
     
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  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Nobody is forcing anyone to read any of his posts. Let him post all the blather that he wants to - YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT!

    Let him post in whatever thread he wishes. Don't read it and don't respond to it. It will do your blood pressure lots of good. Or if you do decide to read, learn to "take it from the source", laugh about what a fool he makes of himself every time he puts his fingers to the keyboard and move on. If you respond, then you have no one but yourself to blame for his continuing presence.
     
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  3. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Doober, I hear you - the difference being that many of us consider Ron to be a scary psychopath who seeks only to create chaos and cause pain. He has so offended me in the past, personally and directly (at that "other place") that the very thought of him even typing my name fills me with horror. If we prevent him from openly participating, maybe he'll go away and I won't have to experience that.

    I personally asked him NOT to respond to any of my posts...and yet he continued to do so.

    I do understand that there are differing views on this. I'm simply presenting mine. In the end, it's up to the coaches and mods, and I will respect their judgement. If they feel that he adds no value to the forum and his presence causes pain, then I think that they are justified in locking him out, or sectioning off his posts (as they are currently doing).
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The problem is that other people (including you and LeeAnne) don't ignore him*, and then I get the complaints. Every time you engage him, even indirectly, it eggs him on. The quality of the discussions quite noticeably goes to (expletive deleted) when Ron is "participating". If that is left unchecked & he continues to wreck havoc in the threads, we won't have any forums left here.

    I think we've reached a reasonable equilibrium here -- Ron can post whatever drivel he wants, and as quickly as we can it will be archived for all posterity with minimal disruption to any intelligent discussions that might actually be happening. He's been contained, not silenced.

    *And this is fully understandable -- it's hard to zip your lips in the face of direct insults and outright stupidity. :D
     
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  5. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Agree with everything you said (including the fact that I find it difficult to ignore him, although I REALLY DO try!) :D It's kinda like driving by a horrible car wreck...you so want to NOT look, but then you do....:p
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The more you guys bait him, the more drivel and abusive posts you'll get in exchange. I've had an endless stream of complaints about him for the past two weeks, yet some of you just won't button your lips.
     
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  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't intend to engage TSORon but I think we have to keep this in mind:


     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    How many different people complained or was it multiple complaints from a few individuals?
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Multiple complaints, several individuals. It started with "bad post" reports almost as soon has he registered.

    I had him on my ignore list in the "other place" but forgot why. My memory has been refreshed.

    Hopefully XF will get 1.1 rolled out on schedule (need a :prayer: smilie)!
     
  10. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Understood...but in any message forum you need to have at least some basic limits: obvious trolls, spam, porn, threats. Even within the framework of our Constitution there are some limits on free speech: you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Basic humanity should prevail within the forum - something that Ron violates with many of his posts. Hence I see no violation of the "free speech" tenet by limiting him.
     
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    But everyone retains the right to not engage.
     
  12. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    That's like saying "just because your co-worker comes by your desk every day and calls you vile and vulgar names, you have the right to ignore him." That doesn't make it any less unpleasant or painful every time he does it.

    Yes, we have the choice to not engage. But some of us don't want to be faced with having to make that choice just to participate in this forum.

    If he continues to respond to my posts, MY only option will be to leave the forum entirely. Yes, that's my choice - but I very much appreciate the fact that the mods are ensuring that I don't have to make it. :)

    And just FTR, I consider Ron to be an extreme case. I have never encountered anyone else quite like him on any other forum, so the *normal rules* just don't apply.
     
  13. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I guess I don't understand the logic of allowing somebody to participate in a forum, only to sequester their posts somewhere, and if any of us reply before the post is moved it looks like we are talking to a phantom. It's annoying; like being on a conference call where you hear people responding to something you didn't hear. If it's felt that someone has nothing valuable to contribute here, just show them the door instead of breaking a flow of communication.
     
  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    So, is the problem Ron or is the problem complaints his participation generates? Methinks it's the complaints, to which I would respond: "Knowing who/what Ron is, you made a choice to read his posts and/or attendant responses. Therefore, you have no cause to complain" and that's the end of it.

    Until we get an "ignore" capability, those who don't want to read his drivel need to set their own internal ignore button for him. Turn it on and don't turn it off. Turn it off, but don't then complain.
     
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  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's time to move on & find some real discussions to participate in.
     
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