I see both sides of this. I think it comes down to the value of intelligent and honest discourse. N965VJ is right in saying that we should have both sides of the issue represented so as to avoid the incestuous-echo effect. While I've seen other forums where a steadfast insistence upon representing both sides has damaged the community, I think we can learn from their mistakes in the particulars of how they handled it and not sacrifice like-minded members upon the altar of ideological diversity. HOWEVER... TSORon, as LeeAnne quite astutely pointed out, is in no way interested in an honest debate. We have a couple of TSA staffers here who do seem to at least pay the concept some lip service if not outright respect, but Ron is not one of them. The only thing he's offered is a mixture of ad-hominems, red-herring links that provide completely irrelevant information, and accusations of willful ignorance in response to being called out on the uselessness of the links he "contributes." I think N965VJ is right about debates because they provide additional points about TSA's policies and procedures that we can read, break down into their component parts, analyze the crap out of, and hopefully use toward the goal of restoring essential civil liberties at the airport. With Rugape and even Bart, we get that. There was even a hint of it with SATTSO once in a great while. With TSORon? Not even close.