U.S. Government Glossed Over Cancer Concerns As It Rolled Out Airport X-Ray Scanners

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  1. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    U.S Government Glossed Over Cancer Concerns As It Rolled Out Airport D-Ray Scanners

    The title pretty much says it all.

    Wow, three years before 911 -

    Little did he know...
  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Shocked! Shocked I say!

    I've said all along that these damn things are going to cause cancer. And in my medical opinion we will see a sharp increase in skin cancer from their long-term use based on my understanding of the technology.

    Typically it would take 20-30 years for these cancers to appear. However, I believe based on skin cancer's predilection to appear earlier than others, and its aggressive growth rate, I predict we will see widespread cancer rate spikes in 10-20 years. I also imagine we will see some cancers related to these machines in about 5 years in vulnerable populations (children, the elderly, those already at-risk).

    Of course, there's already been a spike in reported cancers in populations exposed to these things early on. These people are morbidly obese, have poor health habits, and are repeatedly exposed to this and other such technology. The airport security screeners are the canary in the coal mine, and some of them have already squawked. Too bad most of them lack the critical thought to connect the dots.

    If these things are so safe, there should be no issue in the entire TSA population to wear dosimeters. Anything for safety and all that jazz...
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  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The reason why there are no dosimeters, radiation hazard signs, and so forth is to maintain the lie that these things are safe.
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  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I'm also surprised by this comment:

    Leaving out the fact that this dude is a bona fide idiot, as evidenced by his stuttering and sputtering in public testimony, he is not in any way qualified to make such a statement. None.

    If none of us mere citizens are qualified to make security recommendations, security "experts" are in no way qualified to make medical recommendations. None. Nada. Zip.

    Robin Kane lacks, absolutely, the skill set, the training, and the critical analysis skills to determine that these machines are "safe" for wide-scale human use.

    Frankly, the emission of these machines very well may be minute. The problem is the way in which this technology is directed at and used on human tissue. It takes one, ONE, errant human tissue cell to mutate and set off a cascade of disease. These beams are designed to bounce off of skin. Does someone like Robin Kane even understand what that means? I'll explain:

    • X-rays are particles and are governed, like every other matter on Earth, by the laws of physics. They are literally "shot" in a projected beam at a subject, in this case, humans.
    • Newton taught us literally hundreds of years ago that an object in motion will remain in motion until met with an equal or greater force.
    • These particular x-ray particles will travel toward the human, and likely "bounce" off of the human. However, in order to do so, they must encounter the individual molecules in human tissue. The energy in these molecules must be enough to overcome the speed/direction/quantity of those sent their way. Once an x-ray particle meets another molecule, it will either be "scattered" off in another direction, absorbed, or literally bounced back to the source.
    • Based on the available images, if these machines operate like typical x-rays, and I have no reason to believe they don't, the body appears white because those x-rays are not sent back to the digital film in the machine. the black areas are those that are exposed to x-ray particles.
    • This means that the human tissue is absorbing the x-ray particles, and therefore literally carrying them around, or bouncing them off as "scatter" in a direction that does not get back to the digital film. Either way, absorbing the particles means you now have x-ray particles embedded in your tissue, or in order to scatter them your molecules have literally changed atomic properties. In most people, most cells will recover this atomic change, and those that don't are eliminated by the immune system. It will take one errant molecule in one sub-optimally functioning cell to kick off a cancer cascade. That's it. One.
    Anything for safety, my (expletive deleted). In the pursuit of thwarting "terrorism" Robin Kane is exposing millions of people to likely cancer diagnoses. That's irresponsible and reprehensible.

    Indeed, these machines are called "backscatter" precisely because of this technology. It is this "scatter" that is precisely avoided when your doctor uses x-ray. Doctors are required to calibrate their machines and use them in a way that avoids "scatter", that is errant x-ray particles that don't "shoot" through human tissue. Instead TSA is using machines specifically designed to emit "scatter". Bad idea. Very bad idea.
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  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

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  6. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Unfortunately there is no indication that Congress or the Administration will intervene anytime soon. It is mind boggling that the TSA is about the only thing that everyone in DC seems happy to support.

    Despite all the political posturing and rhetoric about TSA infringing on our liberties, when the chips are down our elected orificials increase the TSA budget and nod politely. These days bureaucrats dictate policy to Congress and they don't seem to care
  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    It's been my misfortune to know a few Congress critters over the years, they care more about their free parking spot and office location on Capitol Hill than they ever will about TSA.
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  8. jackonferry

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  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

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  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And here's the problem: because the people at TSA aren't scientists, because, frankly, the lot of them are dumber than a box of rocks, they are totally incapable of performing an independent test on the health effects on human tissue.

    They are going to do what they have done all along. They are going to take the optimal operational output as defined by the manufacturer and compare that to what is considered a "safe" dose, keeping in mind there is no safe dose of ionizing radiation. Period. Never mind the fact that what the manufacturer intends the output to be, and what it is in the airport environment may not be the same. Isn't that why they had to stop using the "puffer" machines? You see, in all things, TSA has only a tenuous grasp of reality.

    What they are not going to do is consider that this technology has never been used in this way before. Well, not on a large scale like this. This radiation from these machines is directed at the skin. This is significantly different than the radiation that is designed to penetrate the skin. It is my opinion, based on a thorough understanding of the hazards of ionizing radiation, I use it daily in my work, and the laws of physics, that this type of technology is far more capable of causing mutation among susceptible cells precisely because of how it is designed.

    These tests should be designed to consider the long-term human health effects on human tissue. TSA is incapable of thinking that way.
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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Like you, I suspect that the American taxpayers are about to pay for another pseudo-scientific non-study of the safety of the TSA's backscatter Xray equipment. I don't think our representatives are stupid enough to believe such studies are real, nor do I think Pistole and Napolitano are stupid enough to believe such studies are real.

    I think our representatives and bureaucrats think we're stupid enough to trust these silly non-studies. It should embarrass the American public to know that our government thinks our critical reasoning skills are roughly that 3rd graders. It makes me wonder what we've let them get away with in the past, that they're so sure we're going to fall for this.
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Back to the Pro Publica article, did anyone notice the gut on the screener in that picture?
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  13. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Honestly, should we be surprised? That article screams conflict of interest, especially with RapeScan/Chertoff and no independent tests of the scanners. Pretty scary that the TSA can just go forward with these scanners and not allow the A.S.S. to wear dosimeters... :rolleyes:

    Guess somebody has been having too many donuts in the break room... :rolleyes:
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  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Unfortunately, millions of Americans are stupid enough -- and gullible enough, and ignorant enough, and just plain I-don't-give-a-damn enough.

    I don't want to minimize the potential health risk, because I think it's a valid concern, but it's also something of a red herring. Even if these machines were found to be 100% safe, that wouldn't change my objection to them and everything they represent. They are a gross violation of our civil liberties, not to mention our bodies. The fact that millions of Americans are just fine with that violation has earned my contempt. I'm way past sympathizing with these people.
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