U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by RB, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=1&


    The court order:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

    So if you are a Verizon customer your calls are being monitored by government. What is only being hinted at is that similar orders are probably out for all wireless providers.

    If you want anything resembling privacy in your communications it's time to get your paper, enevolopes, pen, and inkwell out and go back to snail mail.
     
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The warrant is apparently good to July 19. Are the feds expecting fireworks soon?
     
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    This isn't new. Do some research on "Room 641A."

    (Note: "Not new" does not equate to "acceptable.")
     
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  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Can I use as an excuse to get out of my Verizon contract the knowledge that Verizon is passing information about my communications on to the government and since I don't want that to happen, I expect my contract to be cancelled without penalty? I ask this only half in jest.

    Is this explained somewhere in the Verizon contract?

    I have read a couple of reports that say this spying does NOT extend to wireless customers or to hard-lined customers, only "business" customers. Anybody have definitive info on that?
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I suspect this is being done by all major cell providers. Only one court order has been leaked but bet there are more just like it.
     
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  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    It makes you wonder which kind of crazy or government is. Are they just plain looney tunes, or do they know something about events to come? I'm thinking Looney tunes, but a tiny part of me wonders.
     
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    My feeling about all the kooky DHS nonsense our goobermint has been squandering our tax dollars is simply that this is misappropriation. We supposedly have a government for the people and by the people. Such a government has no business treating us like livestock, and that's exactly what all this DHS activity feels like to me. It feels like my government regards me and my family as livestock to be controlled, managed and exploited for cash, labor and certain intangibles.

    This government really creeps me out. It needs to go. I get the screaming willies just thinking about all their ridiculous skulking about.
     
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  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    This is a "warrant" that is renew-able every 3 months and has been renewed every three months since at least 2006. Furthermore, Rogers is claiming that is has prevented on terrorist attack already. <rolling my eyes>
     
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  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Greenwald:
    I take that as a "no" to your limitations question.:eek:
    This is also a routine 3-mos renewal of something that's been going on continuously for seven years. Dream on if you think this is limited to Verizon. This is just what's been leaked.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    You left out butchered.
     
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It is undoubtedly being used to justify snooping on every financial transaction, evcn between you and your grocery store. That is what had Wyden's underwear in a bunch.

    I thought that the FBI's warrant marked some kind of escalation. If it doesn't, it is still absolutely wrong. I guess pressure cookers never got flagged. I suspect those purchases are now tracked.
    pay cash for everything and don't use store discount cards.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130606/DA6O4MG03.html

     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or crazy like a fox, and like DHS' namesake, the Stasi.

    When we toured the Stasi museum in 2009, the exhibits were organized into two major sections: the informer network and telephone monitoring.
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It gets "better." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

     
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  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    From Forbes:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlaw...ls-lie-to-congress-about-nsa-domestic-spying/
    And on video, the very last moments of the clip:
     
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

     
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    This is striking a nerve in this country. Finally, the press is waking up, a bit. The New York Times today said Obama has lost his credibility:


     
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  18. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Thousands of comments all over. For damage control they've got Clapper out there lying some more. :rolleyes:

    They've completely lost NYT, calling :trash: in no uncertain terms. Like a dam has broken, or as a CNN comment put it:
    :D
     
  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    "It's called protecting America," added Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee.
     
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Finestein is head of the sonderkommando in the senate
     

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