U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by RB, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This story seems to be a bottomless pit of revelations.


  2. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    "No, Dummy Feinstein, it's called violating the Constitutional rights of Americans" she said while :rolleyes: and :td:
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Claiming that what the NSA, DHS, and TSA does "protects Americans" is like claiming that infibulation prevents rape.
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If the phone doesn't already have a backdoor, it might. Government eavesdroppers would still be able to tell that your phone was sending data to a Seecrypt serverfarm, though. Call quality would suck pretty hard, though - most phones' processors can barely handle VOIP transcoding, let alone encrypting the datastream.
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    What, you thought I was kidding?

    Besides... all the FBI has to do is pay the Chinese for access to the backdoors they've been installing in everything.
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I note that he did NOT say "Nobody's logging your call data, reading your text messages or E-mail, or logging your GPS coordinates."
  10. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Nice summary of POTUS comments in the days following the Verizon story, in the Guardian:
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    On the 'how' of the PRISM program, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/u...lly-briefed-on-surveillance.html?ref=politics:
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    bingo. All the talk about plugging directly into the data centers of the large internet company is complete BS. there's no way that could be hidden as it would leave a very big footprint. not to mention an impossible overhead. Just as a layman looking in from outside..

    If these government criminals are tapping in, they are tapping into the pipes and emanations.

    Access to this data will be abused. It is human nature to take advantage of whatever one can take advantage of. That is why the governments cannot be trusted with this. Not even with "safeguards". The federal government need to be removed from the data.

    The founding fathers could not have envisioned such a catastrophic wrong turn into totalitarianism and slavery. What is happening is worse than their worst fears.
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  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Very well put.

    I thought this was a good letter, although petitioning this branch of government seems futile. They need to get an earful anyway:

    I support taking the whole bundle of wrongs to SCOTUS.
  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    PRISM document here:


    Then there is "Boundless Informant"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...nt full-width-1 bento-box:Bento box:Position3

    Interesting map you'll find there - "oh, no, we're not spying on the American people."

    Then there is the whistleblower himself, God bless him:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...nt full-width-1 bento-box:Bento box:Position1
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