United States UK couple spends 5 weeks in an El Paso detention camp

Discussion in 'Border Controls, Customs and Immigration' started by Mike, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    All because of an honest visa blunder:

    UK Daily Mail: Visa-blunder Britons locked up for 5 weeks in the U.S. for staying beyond 90 day cut-off

    So we have yet another couple vowing never to visit the U.S. again, and the publicity will dissuade many others.

    & I wonder much many taxpayer $ the retards in immigration wasted detaining these people for five weeks & then deporting them when it appears they would have just flown home on their own?
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  2. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Way to go, DHS :rolleyes:

    Does anybody that works for the government have any bit of common-sense? The article says that they had bought return tickets, but the CBP agents refused to listen. :td:
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  3. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Can this couple pursue an unlawful detainment action or did CBP act within the course and scope of our immigration laws? If so, this is horrifying...
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  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Let this be a warning to any would-be tourists from around the world: Better to just not visit the USA. There's lots to see and do in Canada and South America, and I hear the Japanese countryside is full of amazing sights if you want to head the other direction.

    A country that pulls audacious stunts like this doesn't deserve your tourist dollars anyway, and I say this as a US native.
  5. lindabarlow

    lindabarlow Original Member

    Unbelievable. Way to discourage tourism. Of course, the DHS probably don't want foreign visitors...they have their hands full trying to control, document, photograph, iris-scan, DNA-profile, and generally harass all the folks who already live here.
  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    These tourists are not the first to be terrorized. I don't think people should visit the U.S. We have a group of friends from Europe visiting us early next year. I think they're taking a big risk. It shames me to admit it, but their countries are far, far more civilized than ours is.

    Thuggery is rampant here. There's no telling what might happen.

    I made an illegal U turn about two months ago. (I did this with a police car right behind me at the light. I simply hadn't noticed the big, colorful no U turn sign.) The noise of the siren nearly caused me to swerve into a light pole, I was so startled. I pulled into the nearby parking lot, and three police cars and a canine unit arrived within a minute. It was fortunate for me that I keep all my papers very neatly organized in a small portfolio in the glove box. I rolled down my window and lined up every conceivable document on the dash.

    The officer was polite and let me off with a warning, but the experience was weird. I'm nearly 50. I've seen traffic stops, I've been stopped before. This stop was different. Our community needs 4 police vehicles, 7 police officers and two police dogs to explain to a matron lady that she should be more observant of traffic signs? Really?

    For about 2 years I'd noticed huge police dramas by the side of the road with multiple officers, several police vehicles, canine units, flashing lights, sound and fury. I always assumed that it was my wonderful local police hard at work, catching desperate criminals. Now I know it's all BS. They're scaring the life out of milquetoast citizens like myself who forget to turn their blinkers off or brake too far behind stop signs. I've never witnessed this sort of lunacy anywhere else in the world. I don't think visitors are prepared for just how melodramatic and over-the-top American law enforcement has become.

    This UK couple was busy touring the U.S., spending money hand over fist. If they'd gone home with trunks full of happy memories, there's a good chance their friends would have considered doing the same. Because of the terror these tourists experienced, it's likely thousands of Europeans will cancel their travel plans. Who can blame them? Even a brief encounter with law-enforcement is stressful for law-abiding citizens. An extended stay in a Gulag would quite naturally cause lasting harm to one's peace of mind.
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I notice the same thing where I live. The PD's are mostly overstaffed, or were overstaffed until recent budget cuts, and most officers have not had a great deal to do to keep busy on their shifts. Therefore, they all respond to every little stop. Yesterday, there was a fender bender at a nearby intersection. Cops from 3 municipalities showed up, blocking the road with their cars and creating a huge traffic back up - well, huge for our little country town. One officer, in one car, could have handled it easily and there would have been no back up, except for the lookie-loos.

    On topic, what happened to this couple is simply a disgrace upon this once-great nation.
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Several years ago, a friend's daughter overstayed her visa in the UK for a special student program that allowed her to live & work in the UK for six months. She liked to spend weekends visiting other countries in Europe. Unfortunately for her, the UK is not a Schengen particpant, so eventually the wandering American got noticed on a return to London. Instead of five weeks in a detention camp, they just asked her to leave soon, as in within 3 or 4 days, but beyond that they left it to her to attend to matters.

    The U.S. would do well to follow that example by matching their response to the individual & the situation.
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The (ostensibly civilian) police forces here are becoming more militarized. This has been an on-going progression since the vile Patriot Act was passed. And tactics, weapons, techniques from the battlefield are migrating to home turf. I think I posted at another thread (sorry, I can't keep them all straight -- I don't know how you all do it!) -- a link to the Washington Post series Monitoring America. Very eye-opening and very scary. I think Dana Priest and her colleague won a Pulitzer or different award for it. This isn't dystopian fantasy; it's reality. Unfortunately, the naysayers and sheeple still refuse to believe it. Even when a drone is hanging over their neighborhood, money says they'll mouth an excuse about why that drone is there To Protect Us.
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The militarization of police has been an issue for 20+ years. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco? The left perhaps didn't jump on the bandwagon until they had the Patriot Act to complain about.
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Mike, you're right, and I would date it to the insane "War on Drugs." Re Ruby Ridge and Waco, I was on the air locally (in Baltimore) when those happened, and I spoke out about it publicly at the time. I thought the government way, way overreacted and caused a disaster.
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  12. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I've never really (yet :eek:) been on "the wrong side of the law". However, the mentality of some in the law enforcement community is stunning to me. I personally think they bring a lot of their problems on themselves.

    For instance, how in the world is someone supposed to pay fines and debts if they're in jail already? Likewise, putting this couple in jail because they had to leave? That's insanity!

    I agree with Mike that a lot of this started with the War on Drugs. My favorite cousin is actually my cousin's husband. He is an honorable and decorated war veteran, as well as a member of his state's police force. He is college educated, bright, and fair. I >3 him for a number of reasons, some of them even due to his actions as a policeman. However, at one point he was directly involved in fighting the War on Drugs. The indoctrination and inability to see both sides of the argument was frightening. It's no wonder far less sophisticated people do things like the horror stories we hear from CBP and other agencies.
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  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Some links (sorry for inconsistent font, HTML):

    National Police Misconduct NewsFeed

    One of 23 peace activists whose houses were raided, property destroyed and stolen, brought before Grand Jury:

    Forceful End to Foreclosure Fight

    Woman arrested in her yard while videotaping police

    . . . There is no sign that the White House tried to stop the House from passing a particularly awful version of these bills . . .
    And they come perilously close to upending the prohibition, which dates back to Reconstruction, against the military’s operating as a police force within the United States.
    . . . The peddlers of fear and the phony tough-on-terrorism crowd have dominated the national security debate for too long. The president must step in and stop this march toward endless war and the perpetual undermining of American constitutional values.

    June 23, 2011
    Reporters Arrested For Photographing, Videotaping Public Meeting


    Maybe I should be posting these in the Civil Liberties forum?

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